Archive through June 28 2003

Mr Hindko is a liar, because he is not a true Hindko, he is likely to be Sindhi or from Punjab and pretending he is Hindko. Genuine Hindkos know that Afghans we are very distrustfull of Pakistan and its motives. And "Mr Hindko" is wrong about our governments being enemy and the people being friends. If "Mr Hindko" is a true Hindko then he knows that its our governments are trying to be friendly with each other, but the Afghan people are very distrustfull of the Pakistanis. I don't know of any Afghans who has Pakistani friends. The Afghania region of Pakistan and Baluchistan is regarded as an Afghan terroritory as the people who reside in these parts are of Afghan origin. The remainder of Pakistan is of Indian origin. I hope this helps the discussion.

Sindh and Punjab has very much Indian blood, where as Afghania and parts of Baluchistan is not. So if you are a Punjabi or Sindhi consider yourself having the Indian blood. I am sorry some Pakistanis don't like it, but thats the way it is. You cannot reject your Indian blood.

to the moderators,

how can you post xtc's messages? he used the word "nigger" which totally freaked me out. Moreover, his posts are full of name-calling and curses. Is that what you call a reasoned discussion? Third, everyone who has not been to Pakistan here makes me frankly laugh. and i love it when Indian people say the only white pakastanis are in the north. How would they know? i came from a MAINSTREAM pakastani family from Lahore and have white people in my family. get a clue..if most of us were from Indian origin, believe me, we would look it and many of us would not be mistaken for British, Arab, Persian, Italian, Spanish, etc... but please stop the cursing..it gives this forum no respect and credibilty


Nina Appreciate your message.
Well you cant stop the world to laugh or abuse if they find something laughable or not believable. If you got hurt by his comments we apologize for him although we cant force anyone to accept your views.

May be he got upset and may be he knows Pakistanis or he may be a Pakistani himself.

We believe you that you may be British, Arab, Persian, Italian and Spanish etc. sure why not?

By the way Is Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Aznar or Saddam Hussain related to your family. They also look Pakistanis as you know Bill had British Ancestory, Tony is British, Aznar is Gallic-Castellano Spanish, Saddam has Persian/Arabian ancestory! It will be great if you can reveal the truth. You will do the world a favor by telling the truth. Please please tell us.
We are starving to know.

Please enlighten us by giving more clues so that these ignorant readers have to believe you.

Network

As far as I am concerned all Pakistanis are Brown, but I've seen some Indian people who are light Wheatish colour, in someways lighter than Pakistanis. I have few Pakistani friends but they are all sort of dark Brown.

The Pathans are indigenous group that has always resisted Islamabad's law, and to date Pakistani's have been unable to enforce its law in the Pathans (Afghania) areas. Pathans consider the territory as part of Afghanistan. Baluchis have also pressed for the creation of a state that would incorporate parts of Afghanistan and Iran. Both Pathans and Baluchs groups are racially different from Punjab and Sindh which has Indian origion with Indian blood.

Punjabis and Sindhis make up overwheming majority of Pakistanis, Areas like Afghania make up only about 2% of the Pakistani population and Baluchistan don't consider themselves to be Pakistanis.

To summarise:
Pathans are of Afghan blood and Central Asian stock
Baluchs are of Iranian/Afghan blood
Punjabis are of Indian blood and of Indian stock
Sindhis are of Indian blood and of Indian stock

Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

sahar u dumb idiot. hindko and saraiki are languages not ethnic groups or a race of people.
there are pakhtuns who speak hindko and saraiki and punjabis also. hindko and saraiki are punjabi dialects of pakistan but have a lot of pashto and farsi words.

how many times am i going to tell u that i am not an afghan or pakhtun but a mughal (sunni mughal) kaum from dera ismail khan. there are jats rajputs pakhtun, qureshi, mughals, bolochis, afghan refugees etc all living in dera ismail khan.

the afghan pakhtuns are friendly with their brothers of nwfp and the tribal areas who are also pakhtuns.
and are related and families living on both sides of
the durrand line.

it's only the tajiks and uzbeks and hazaras who hate pakhtuns and pakistanis.

and anyway tajiks and uzbeks all these people are not afghans anyway because their are decendents of turks mongols and are not the sons of afghana the pakhtuns are the true afghans the sons of afghana.

i'm a mughal that means that i am a decendent of the mughals who were a mix of turk/persian/afghan - pakhtun and since we invaded pakistan/india there is a good chance i also have rajput concubine maternal genes. but my blood is pure from hindu man.

but never the less my family/clan and kaum are always mistaken as pakhtuns and don't look like indians u can easily tell the afghan and central asian ancestory.

the mughal and pakhtuns (waziris) were known to take hindu (rajput) women away.

sahar u are an indian, there are afghan refugees tajiks uzbeks living in dera ismail khan and many have become settled opened shops and do business carpets jewellery etc.

and regarding pakhtuns whether from pakistan or afghanistan they have nothing against the pakistan people.

i should know because we live with these people and have had disputes tribal warfare with these people and also have done business with them.

most of the construction work and truck haulage in our area of pakistan is done by us mughal/pakhtuns
and we regularly see afghan refugees and do business with them.

regarding indian origin yes the punjabis and sindhis do have indian blood

but mughal, awans, qureshi, abbasi, sheikhs, ghoris, etc are not of the indian stock but the decendants of the muslim invaders.


i know u being an indian that u want to associate with your former rulers and masters.

i will say one thing my forefathers timur lang and babar remember the mound of skulls in dehli.

i hope that helps.

and there is no region called afghania in pakistan it is known as FATA or NWFP but we call it pakhtoonkhwa or pakhtunistan.

and it is pakhtun not pathan by u indians and british least call these lion people by the correct name.

PAKISTANI u mirpuris are a flamin crazy lot j/k

bradford should be known as mirpur paharistan. LOL


i had two distant uncles who once rebuilt a ruined wall in mirpur for this old women for her goats and when they brought the bricks in the bedford truck it's flamin wheels got stuck in mud.

Hi Nina

Still pretending you got imaginary Afghan friends.... ha ha ha ha ha .... if it helps you then well go on pretend and imagine away... I mean after 55 years of hell from your neighbours (India, Afgnaistan, China and Iran)not to mention your being split into 2 in 1971 you deserve somehapiness in your life.

So go on consider Pakistan part of Britain if it helps, recite the words "we won the war", "we are white"....

I'll pray for God to help you.

xtc

sahar please show your bantu indian self

u being an afghan is like saying that hitler is a negro and george bush is an aborigine.


afghanistan is based on tribal and racial lines and so is the geography so if u are a tajik or uzbek then u would realise how close the pakhtuns of afghanistan are with the pakhtuns of pakistan they are the same people and don't regard the durrand line.

like i said the pakhtuns have know problems with the other pakistanis who are in the same boat as them fighting for a living.

as for tajiks and uzbeks (cousins of the mughals) if they hate the pakhtuns and other pakistanis because of the taliban that's their problem.

sahar like i said my family come from dera ismail khan southern part of nwfp.

bring your tribe over and come and fight the sunni mughal, if u are a afghan u will have a tribe, since u afghanis regulary cross into pakistan and stay over and then go back it shouldn't be a problem.

and as for trade we regularly trade with pakhtuns and have trucks haulage and my tribe regulary go to peshawar kohat quetta. and dara for the weapons
we also go to the punjab for trade.

we own shops in dera ismail khan

also we are breeders of donkeys and horses, we rear waziri donkeys and arab horses.

we also now rear german shepherds which we imported through the UK and have established the stock.

and we do business with afghans who come over.

our main occupation is farming and construction when ever there is any construction work.

now the question what afghan are u, the pakhtun (pashtun) has been crossed out and the nuristani and wakh.

so that leaves the shiah hazara , tajik, uzbek, aimaq, so what are u what is your line who is your forefathers what part of afghanistan are u from. what language do u speak it is most likely dari.

so please come sir from ghazni u will go east through the bolan pass into my hometown dera ismail khan but please be careful of the WANA area of waziristan and mashud incase they don't bully your tribe to hell.

and if u are a uzbek then u would realise that i am one of your biradaree your people.

look here is a photo of a picture of a white pakistani, his european features are clearly visible.
what more proof or evidance you need?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3041461.stm