Hindu? what tha fuk man? You illiterate or something dumbass! no' speaka inglisha? hunh!.

Cut the crap AM you inbred Hindu b_astard.

Witness the art of combat, the centre is where the bombs at; it's illegal for the feeble to see beyond that; Upon that scienide gases, sent to rip through your ventricle with 9 axes; time lapses- we on with, brutle and terrible conflict- bomb shit!

Sacrifice Your Life! What!
-> Khalistan
-> Neo-Pakistan
What the fuk'in deal!

Seeing me is death, not repeated and done twice, I laugh as I throw the first stone to Christ,..

Yes, yes,.. Islamic bomber, no contender is parallel, Biatch! What!

Arjun
No need to worry,9 million Hindus already have the HIV virus,dying in rail pile-ups and being hunted like the filthy inbred animals they are in Fiji.Pity Bhindranwalla didnt kill more Hindus,I would have pissed on their bodies.Send your dirty slag for a bhabhi my way and Ill shoot both her eyes out.

'Refugee'?Look who's talking?His family was thrown out by the Muslims in 1947..........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

PS.Did you know Hindus also practice sister and niece marriage too,in UP,(I think),Kerala,Bihar,Tamil Nadu in the tradition of Pankaj Pandavas or whatever its called.

go to the timesofindia.com page and find the Kiran Vajpayee photos. I think she's won a beauty contest or something. GAL IS HOTT!!

Savraj,
I read an article that stated "Braveheart" as one of the most beloved movies by the Afghans.

Cooljatt,
you thick prick,
no one told you to fuckin wear the tilak, you inbred peace of halal. And as for any POONDH trying to jack my car or my own person, there's a Bill of Right's here in Texas, that any citizen has the right to carry a concealed weapon in his car. So a POONDH who tries to blunt me, is pretty soon gonna PISS RAZORS.

And besides, I thought you had a great respect for POONDHS? What happened to blacks being so damn great, what about Muhammad Ali, "one of the greatest men that ever lived"?

If you like talking to APES that much, then be my guest.

Taj,
shut the •••• up you cunt!!! Nothing but a three toed circus gimp slut, that's all you are. I wish I was living it up at London right about now, so I can pay a little visit to dear Cockjatt, and "Little Pup" and let's not forget sorry you.

Or what about clearing your little refugee status in England, so that you can catch the next plane to confront me? Don't be scared.

Oh yeah, and about Bhindrawale, maybe you didn't hear about your little "Sant's" atrocities, but yes, it is true, he killed Hindus and Sikhs. His target was especially the Punjab Police kid's, and I'll post something up later, just to rub it in your leering black face.

I'm so fuckin happy that Taj's little "Iced Earth" version of Khalistan will never come true. Hmmm. What did he say? No free press, no free speech, no criticism, mass murders, Socialism with an inbred tryst with facsism, "If I had my way, every Sikh would have a Hindu or a Muslim for a slave". I was drinking a beer when I read that one, and I was about to spit it out in front of the monitor, laughing so fuckin hard.

If what Taj's little "Banana Republic" does come true, then what's the point of creating a Khalistan? To me, its just another different banner to kill Sikhs.

Taj,
eager for rebuttal.

ASM

we refuse to wear the Tilak - just like "GURU NANAK
Dev Ji" did 530 years ago.

we refuse to be told of our direction in LIFE from
people that wear the Tilak.

have a good day in houston & i hope you get jacked by
a Poondh on the 745 to Houston you MF.

AM
SHUT THE F_UCK UP YOU F_UCKING HINDU BASTARD.FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY,BEHIND A MONITOR,AND A DANGEROUS INCREASE OF SELF-ESTEEM.....'SULLAS' THIS 'PAKIS' THAT.YOU HAVE A HARD TIME ACCEPTING THE BASTARD NATURE OF YOUR OWN FILTHY BREED.

WHERES YOUR PROOF BHINDRANWALLA KILLED THOSE SLIMY HINDUS?WHAT A PITY HE DIDNT,I WOULD BE CELEBRATING NOW.

AM
YOU MAKE ME LAUGH,HOUSTON TO LONDON.I DARE EVERY AND ANY HINDU IN LONDON TO F_UCK WITH ME AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

ASM

the only thing i should watch out for is your BREATH.
someone did warn me about it in another posting.

otherwise - lets get it on

p.s. it could be them spicy popodoms that are in your
daily diet.

Cooljat,
actually no, it doesn't make me wince. The issues with women, the way you like to cuss em out, and say vulgar shit to em, I'm above it. The thing that I pointed out, remember: FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY, BEHIND A MONITOR, AND A DANGEROUS INCREASE OF SELF-ESTEEM.

If I were ever to see you anywhere, rest assured, there's a bullet with your name on it, with my sawwed-off Magnum. I used to hunt deer with it, now it just rests in my car. But I would gladly clean it if I saw the likes of you in H-Town.

You fucked up, pone.
You're in the danger zone.
You shouldn't be alone.

Taj, are you pertaining to separatist Sikhs? Cause if you are, you got my number. That's right. I don't give a rat's ass about them, and they can all go suck an ass. Seems to me that this Bhindrawale was no "Sant", however much you wanted him to be. He not only killed Hindus, but Sikhs as well. Piss on him. This Khalistan bullshit, is just as dead as that issue on Ridwan's homestead, "Pakthoonistan". Dead, but not buried. That's it, simple as that.

Supernaps,
might i ask what the hell you are?

Holt shit! you all are lost! everyone of you muther ••••••.. You all need to stop seeing with your clouded eyes!. Pakistan and India are both fucked if it raises punks like you all! I am extremely ashamed at the Muslims and Sikhs here-cause you both are similar religions that teach and promote peace in humanity. Back in tha days when tha Paks and Indies got liberated from the fuckin White Christian'shataan->British Thives[whatever you wanna call em'](who stole gold from our once beutiful and rich land)they were brainwashed with propaganda to start trouble between the people so they could invade.. it was stupids fucks like you! that let it happen.. No look at our mother land(south-asia:pak&india) It full of corupt shit talkers and shelfish greedy pindus! all trying to be westernized but can't comprehend what the •••• there doing.. I visited both India and Pakistan last Summer.. I was sickened! On independance day.. It was worse they had pictures on nuclear missles on the flag's? What tha •••• is that? How can you fight your own people?..

AAHHhh •••• I can go on forever, but I don't want too.. it fruitless..
Your all messed up!

I you wanna know what i am? "I am a Muslim, Hindu and a Sikh!" Tha same words as Ghandi Bitch! He knew this would happen! And it's gets worth by tha day!

This is supernaps, signing off. THA 5RIVERS DIED ALONG TIME AGO! SO DID INDIA AND PAKISTAN! your all in hell!

Now thats what I want to see,unlike some of the secularist,democratic,tolerant slimy bastards,cancer eating away at our people,race within a race.Right on LL Cool Jatt,you are a Sikh who will never bow to Hindu rule,though Psychedelic is a good human I can talk to in a civil manner,on a tolerant level.Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale never gave into them and proudly paid for it.ASM has a problem accepting that his people are far worse than 'sullas,pakis' etc.Sikhs have a bloody right to be angry at Hindus with their heads between their asses,talking the usual bollocks that we are Pakistani trained or 'terrorists'.Well then by your reckoning we Sikhs have the right like you murderous fascist intolerant Hindus,not to tolerate his traitor whore of a bhabhi.What a cruel joke.

•••• you ASM you kuchee bastard

You MF - you hindoo pussies used to kiss the mullah's
ass for 1200 years & i suppose you still do & always
will - you dirty scumbag.

ALL hindoo's should be shot at CLOSE range - the most
ugliest race on the planet.

Just think about it ASM - you guys got invaded how
many times - how many of your women did the Mullahs
really have - don't it just make you wince.

MINA BINA - ••••••• asskissing MF's.

Psychedelic,
just because you claim to be a bonafide "tolerant, peaceful" Hindu, tolerant of Pakis or sullehs doesn't that we other Hindus have to be as well.

citizen of the subcontinent i agree with you.

Pyschedlic,

Ulloo de patte ! Where have I said anything ? Sala "tolerance" da bacha !

Tarun

Ridwan

Here is something I found in NY Times about your tribal country. Enjoy!!!

FAIZABAD JOURNAl
The Last Stand of Afghan TV

By BARRY BEARAK
FAIZABAD, Afghanistan -
And so it carries on, nobly if
feebly, within the rocky peaks of
the remote Hindu Kush, high atop
this city on a steep hill and inside a
small yellow building with green
trim: the last surviving television
station in Afghanistan.

Badakhshan TV broadcasts nightly,
two to four hours in prime time. Its
offerings are dependable: old
serials, old movies, old music, old
nature shows, old prayers.

The signal may be weak, reaching
only half of Faizabad, but few
citizens complain. Most don't have
TV's anyway, and of those who do,
most don't have electricity.

"Yes, we have some technological
limitations," said the station
manager, Muhammad Din Khahani,
as the light from a single bulb in his
office faded in and out. "But many
people in our city do love television,
even the reruns we have been
showing for 16 years. If they can
afford it, they hook up their TV's to large batteries. Some of it is very
clever."

Television may be pulsing through human consciousness in the rest of the
planet, but in Afghanistan it is facing extinction. The Taliban mullahs, who
control 90 to 95 percent of the country, have grievances against the
medium that go far beyond the usual complaints about rotten shows. They
contend that living beings should not be photographed, whether in still life
or moving pictures, and this has led to rather unforgiving censorship.
Television stations have been shuttered, television sets have been broken,
television watchers have been thrashed.

Faizabad, however, is in the nation's far northeast, a smidgen of territory
that has held out against Taliban rule. Badakhshan TV, like the opposition
government that owns it, has defiantly made a stand, getting by on an
unsure supply of fuel to run its generator and an aged video recorder that
has outlived all known spare parts.

"It is quite a shame that we have fallen behind because Afghanistan is truly
the heart of Asia," said Mr. Khahani, 38, a thin man with the quiet bearing
of a scholar. "If it hadn't been for the war, this would be one of the most
developed countries in the world."

The combat he speaks of is actually a series of hostilities that escalated
sharply after an invasion by the Soviets in 1979. It has since become a civil
war that is complicated by ethnic rivalries from within and geopolitical
connivance from without. Faizabad, the biggest city in Badakhshan
Province, is the latest refuge of President Burhanuddin Rabbani, who
heads the feckless government that is recognized as legitimate by most of
the world. Reporters from Badakhshan TV use every opportunity to
interview the president - and at times they even interview others who
have come to do the same interviewing. News gathering is a costly
enterprise, and not much can be accomplished on an annual budget of
$15,000. Mr. Khahani himself earns only $40 a month.

Anyway, Faizabad is what the moguls of television would call a small
market. It is a city of 100,000 with a river running through it and a serene
wrap of mountains in the distance. The many bumps in the unpaved roads
are interspersed with out-and- out craters.

Donkeys seem as plentiful as people and both serve as beasts of burden,
carrying huge bundles, their necks hunched over from the weight. Men
customarily wear long-tailed turbans and woolen waistcoats. Women are
less commonly observed and, when they are, their bodies are surrounded
by the head-to-toe encasement of the burka.

here is a telephone company, offering service
at the very reasonable price of 50 cents a year. But it too has antiquated
equipment. Phones still operate with a hand crank and there are no
numbers. An operator at a central switchboard plugs lines into one of 420
round openings, working from memory as to what person belongs to what
hole.

Television, then, is actually at the cutting edge of Faizabad's information
age. By Mr. Khahani's estimate, there are 5,000 sets in the city, though
many may well be broken. The phenomenon of the couch potato has been
avoided because most people sit on the floor.

While choice is limited to use of the on-off switch, viewers do state
preferences. They are especially fond of movies, and Badakhshan TV has
a fair-sized archive of videos, many of them rescued from a sister station
in Kabul before the Taliban arrived.

Movies are broadcast with subtitles in Dari. Indian films seem to be the
most popular, with their simple plots of boy-meets-girl and boy- loves-girl.
Another favorite is the American action flick "First Blood," in which
Sylvester Stallone (as Rambo) strides about violently with a machine gun at
his side, a practice shared by many Afghan men.

The blockbuster "Titanic" is known to many - available in a bootleg
edition in the main bazaar. But the video has been recopied so many times
that the quality is poor, and Mr. Khahani has decided to forgo the film
rather than broadcast a washed-out version.

Even if "Titanic" were shown, viewers would not get to see Leonardo
DiCaprio getting friendlier with Kate Winslet in the back seat of that car in
the ship's hold. On Badakhshan TV, sex scenes are edited out in
accordance with Islamic propriety.

"We will show lips that are touching, but we will not allow nakedness," the
station manager said.

Mr. Khahani, while calm in demeanor and patient with questions, was
actually quite busy. He was about to go out with a camera crew to
interview the president. Some further preparation was necessary, and his
job was being made no easier by a darkness that had overtaken the small television station on the hill.

Once again, the electricity was out.

What's the matter Tarun, no tolerance????? And I thought you were a Hindu......

Tarun

you are full of tutty!!!

"INDIAN" = Paki = stinking scum of the earth = Ridwan

Tarun,

I think you are full of S H I T.

You should all learn tolerance for each other and respect as well, which are both lacking here. The sub-continent will never prosper if the majority of viewpoints here are the norm across the sub-continent. So learn from each other in a calm and rational way and then maybe who knows. Changa phir

Namaste, Sat Ri Akal and Salaam!!!

Tarun,

What wrong with you? I cant believe youre so proud of occupying part of Kashmir. Youre just sick. Your games of 'ive got bigger balls than you" is a sad childish game. God i wish those brits never left.


Indian,

Get a life and quit insulting others to make yourself feel higher. Who cares if Hindus worked for the azadi, we still got it. You did the work, we still got the results, at the expense of bharat varsha of course. So it seems we won. We didnt really work for pakistan, but hey, we still got it.

It wasn't the Hindus who got the Independence nor the Muslims. If anything, the Sikhs should get the most credit, 80% hanged were Sikhs even though they were less the 2% of the total population. Mahatama Gandhi doesn't get any credit either as he was a British stooge. The reasons England let go of India was because it could not financial run the empire due to depeletion of resourses incurred during World War II.

TO ALL THE PAKIS

YOU STUPID PAKIS, NOT ONLY YOU GOT NO BRAINS BUT YOU CANT READ OR UNDERSTAND BASIC HISTORY.

READ MY LIPS

"IT TOOK A HINDU TO GIVE YOU YOUR FREEDOM - WE DID IT, YOU DID NOT"

YOU PAKIS ARE SO DUMB AND STUPID.

One thing I cannot understand about both Pakistanis and Indians is that do you not realise this is what Britain wanted us to do after they had gone, is to see is fighting and bickering all the time. They acheived this by spliting Punjab into two so the Sikhs will have to be uprooted and then they purposely left Muslim Kashmir in India so that the two new countries would never prosper and become two powerful and friendly nations. Their plan has worked so perfectly and we idiots have not even realised until now!! The Britts and Americans just sit back and wait for the next episode!! When will we learn, we have not come very far in the last 50 years, just look at the far eastern coutries who have moved on in leaps and bounds. We just sit there call each other daft Sikh or a stupid Paki or pagal Hindu. Its about time we change the rules of the Kashmiri game that the British have left behind!! Any suggestions!!

Aren't you lunnds capable of some intelligent conversation ?

Tarun

To Paki,Anonymous,Sikh etc etc ...

Paki,
We have 2/3 of your precious Kashmir - till then ...

Sikh,
About Panjab ... need I go there ?

C YA,
Tarun.

PS: Who is Makhan ???

OYI OYI WE NEVER WANT SOMTIN THAT TARUN DROPPED OUT FROM.

Tarun yadd ava....fhoodhu, have you given up on your new found father Makan Singh, You are a typical f u c k ing Hindu, a fu cking snake,so now you come up and tell us what the rss plan in Kashmir, why the fu ck dont i do that to your mother, let her service many, give her Fhoodi to the Sikhs, her ass to the Afghans, her rosy lips to the Blow job loving britts. You really pissed me off, you harami, if its ok to split Kashmir and punjab further, why the fu ck not let the people decide or dont they matter. Son of whore, one day open your dirty ass mouth in front of a Sikh or Musala, he will give you a hiding, Who the fu ck are the BJP and the RSS or who the fu ck r you?

Indian, what the fu ck you shitting from your dirty ass mouth. Gal sun gandoo, its your mother who liberated India, while Gandhi sat and watched the bitch opened her legs out wide to take in Raj cock.
Dont wind us up with bull, c unta, we will fu ck you all, in good time.

Remember you all PAKIs, it was a Hindu, the great MAHATMA GHANDI, that gave you your freedom from the British.

Your so called leader, Jina, just sat on his ass during the independence movement.

So it does not matter how long you live, there is one thing that will never change between the PAKIs and Hindus, WE DID IT, YOU DID NOT.

SULLEHIAN DI ADDI L_UND.

The leaders in Pakistan are bastards, but the people are good and sincere.

whereas

The leaders in India are good and sincere, but the Indians (wheteher Hindus, Sicks or some one else) are bastards.

That's the difference

sikaaaaa diiiii maaaaaa diiiii phudddiiiiii

pakistan zindabad

Ridwan,

1) They deserved it. According to Army reports,many of them were terrorists. They were asked to go, but didn't so they felt the brunt of our Great Army.

2) Farooq Abdullah is a fool. He has no real power over Kashmir.

3) Ridwan - watch. Once the BJP gets the majority which it needs, your Kashmir is gonna get f*cked to no end ! Who is going to stop them ???
Pandits don't want "Azaadi". Shiates don't want "Azaadi" (or part of a sunni Pakistan).
Till then ... Khudda-Hafiz.
Tarun.

"Article #1 proves nothing. If it was an Indian Government thing - that's not how they'd do it. Indian Government are known for their "disappearances" and "fake encounters" ... not grabbing 35 men while the whole village is sleeping and then kill them. That's more something fanatic muslims would do - something public,something for all to see. "

Oh is this so Tarun? Youve demonstrated your hatred of the truth. May I remind you of the hazratbal incident in 1993 when over 60 Muslims were shot down in broad daylight by the army after protesting the attack on the Shrine? What about Chrar-e-Shareef in which the Army shot down over 40 people and destroyed the entire town? Why would India kill people in the open? Theyve done it in Punjab, what would stop them from doing it in Kashmir? Indians do the dissapearance stuff, but they think its not working, so open air killings serve as a way to intimidate, its a little like trying to put out a fire with fuel.


"Article #2 - why can't your bloody mullahs in your Pakistan Kashmir come and assassinate that "lala wannabe" ? I hate Abdullah. He's renowned for pulling out "ignoramus" comments. A few years ago, when the Left Front was in power (under Gujaral) he said something along the lines of "both Governments should keep an open mind.Certain concessions of land to Pakistan shouldn't be ruled out" ... the guy is a moron.FULL STOP.He is a puppet.But,a very retarded one.He has no power,just a big (and stoooopid) mouth."


Youre right, Farroq is a puppet and retard, but guess who installed him int eh 1987 rigged elections? The even stupider rulers in Dehli. if abdullahs residence in Dehli wasnt guarde round the clock by 80 armymen, i assure you, he would have been dead by now. DO you notice how when he goes to Kashmir, he only stay at Dal lake, where the army puppets have to only defend one side of him?


"Also,read up on what the RSS are planning to do to Kashmir. So,that the issue of "plebiscite" will never happend - they're proposing a mass amalgamation of J and K, and then splitting it up 3 or 4 ways - including a state for the Kashmiri Pandits and making the northern most one an Army state.
RSS Hindustan Kashmir ka naksha hi badal denge ! "

Oh get real, what can the RSS do in Kashmir? They have no power there, you can make lines on your maps, but what will it do? This Panun Kashmir wont work, the people still support azadi, and it wont be any safer to return. If Any of those RSS men try to do anything in Kashmir, it will only be mapped in Dehli, they cant enforce it in Kashmir. If 700,000 Indians cant subdue a nation, what makes you think a few robe wearing fanatics can do any better?


"PS:- drop the Hindi-Urdu argument.IT's stupid. However, I will present facts and figures soon.
Khudda-Hafiz "

Wow, you are really a bad salesman. Dont tell me to drop something, but allow you to keep it going. Hey, why dont you shut the hell up, but however, im still going to keep talking. It sounds like another Tarun offer.

indian faggots suck paki cock
kasmir banega pakistan

Ridwan,

Article #1 proves nothing. If it was an Indian Government thing - that's not how they'd do it. Indian Government are known for their "disappearances" and "fake encounters" ... not grabbing 35 men while the whole village is sleeping and then kill them. That's more something fanatic muslims would do - something public,something for all to see.

Article #2 - why can't your bloody mullahs in your Pakistan Kashmir come and assassinate that "lala wannabe" ? I hate Abdullah. He's renowned for pulling out "ignoramus" comments. A few years ago, when the Left Front was in power (under Gujaral) he said something along the lines of "both Governments should keep an open mind.Certain concessions of land to Pakistan shouldn't be ruled out" ... the guy is a moron.FULL STOP.He is a puppet.But,a very retarded one.He has no power,just a big (and stoooopid) mouth.

Also,read up on what the RSS are planning to do to Kashmir. So,that the issue of "plebiscite" will never happend - they're proposing a mass amalgamation of J and K, and then splitting it up 3 or 4 ways - including a state for the Kashmiri Pandits and making the northern most one an Army state.
RSS Hindustan Kashmir ka naksha hi badal denge !

Tarun.


PS:- drop the Hindi-Urdu argument.IT's stupid. However, I will present facts and figures soon.
Khudda-Hafiz

SOG, CRPF PERSONNEL INVOLVED IN BRAKPORA KILLINGS
SRINAGAR, OCT 31: (ONS) Jammu and Kashmir government today ordered a judicial probe into the Chittisinghpora massacre in which 35 Sikhs were gunned down during president Bill Clinton's visit to India in last March. This follows indictment of SOG and CRPF personnel by the two commissions that probed the killing of protesters at Barakpora and the massacre of Amarnath yatris at Pahalgam.
Announcing the decision at a crowded press conference at his residence, the chief minister, Dr Farooq Abdullah, immediately after chairing a cabinet meeting, said here today that the judicial commission headed by Justice S R Pandian, which probed the Barakpora firing on April 3 on demonstrators protesting the disappearance of five local youths, had indicted three SOG personnel of Jammu and Kashmir police and four CRPF jawans.
Similarly, the chief minister said, a three member commission, headed by Lt Gen J R Mukharjee of the XV corps and comprising the principal secretary, home, and the deputy commissioner, Anantnag, which inquired into the shooting incident on an Amarnath pilgrims camp at Pahalgam on August 1 in which 23 devotees were among 33 people killed, has indicted five CRPF personnel for using excessive force besides some police officials for dereliction of their duty.
Dr Farooq said the government had decided to register murder cases against the three SOG perso-nnel indicted by the Pandian commission and a special team would be consti-tuted to prepare cases against them in a court of law. They have been immediately placed under suspension. The cases relating to the CRPF personnel would be referred to the centre for 'appropriate action.'
The indicted SOG personnel include ASI Ashok Kumar, head constable, Krishen Kumar, and sergeant constable, Chaman Lal. The CRPF personnel indicted are: comm-andant, R P Roy; besides P C Handi, Sham Kumar and S V Limberkar.
Stating that his government has accepted the report of the two panels 'in toto', Dr Farooq said it had decided to order fresh probe into the Chittisinghpora massacre and subsequent Pathribal incidents by Justice Pandian. "Since all the three cases are linked to one another, we are going to request Justice Pandian to conduct an inquiry into Pathribal and Chittisinghpora incidents also," Abdullah said. Law minister, P L Handoo will visit Chennai to request Justice Pandian to investigate the causes that led to the two incidents as he was the right person to head the inquiry.
About the recommendation of Justice Pandian commission for reinstatement of the then senior superintendent of police, Anantnag, Farooq Khan, and the SHO, Achhabal, Gazanfar Ali, the chief minister said the matter would be put on hold in view of the inquiry into Pathribal and Chattisinghpora incidents. The inquiry into the latter would also address the apprehensions of the Sikh community, he added.
The chief minister said the Pandian report had recommended compensation of Rs two lakh to next of the kin of each of the dead and an equal amount to the two injured. Others injured have been recommended a compensation of Rs 25,000 and Rs 10,000. He said the next of kin of the dead had already been paid Rs one lakh each and the remaining Rs one lakh would be paid to them soon.
It may be recalled the government had earlier blamed militant outfits Lashkar-e-Taiba and Hizbul Mujahideen for the Chittisinghpora massacre on March 30.
Five days after the incident, Army and police had claimed that they had killed five 'foreign mercenaries' involved in the killings of sikhs in an encounter at Pathribal.
However, the locals claimed the five killed were civilians from different places of the district who went missing on March 24 after being picked up by army and police and demanded exhumation of the bodies and a judicial probe into the incident.
Asked if the government has received DNA reports of five civilians killed in Pathribal, Abdullah said we are still awaiting the reports. Interestingly, a recent report had said the DNA report, though ready with the Hyderabad laboratory, had not been forwarded to the state government as it did not evince the necessary enthusiasm for the same.
About the firing on Amarnath pilgrims camp, the chief minister said the three member commission which went into it has found that CRPF personnel had indulged in excessive firing after two militants had attacked the camp.
Abdullah said the commission has found some state police officials, including Superintendent of police Tilak Raj, Deputy Superintendents of police Abdul Gayoom and Pritam Singh, and sub-inspector G M Bhat of dereliction of duty and they had been placed under suspension and further action would be taken against them.

Its not so easy anymore to blame Pakistan for everything the army does, is it?

Keep Off My Turf, Farooq Tells Army
SRINAGAR, OCT 31: (ONS) The chief minister would rather have the army brass minding its own business and not stepping on his turf. "These army men are being prompted from the wings to make these statements," the chief minister commnented on remarks made by the new army chief, General Padmanabhan, about the Kashmir issue. Dr. Adbullah obviously finds it amazing that even the director general of the CRPF should air his views about a political solution to the Kashmir issue. "I can't understand why army men issue statements on political matters. If they have a solution, it is for the defence minister to make the announcement," he said in the course of the press conference.
"This side of Kashmir is Hindustan, and the other is Pakistan," he said when asked what, in his view, was the solution. He said he wanted autonomy for both parts of Kashmir.
He said the further division of the state was not the correct approach as it would lead to the dismemberment of India. If the state were to be divided on communal lines, it would be a vindication of the two nation theory, he said.
To a question on plan funds, he said discussions with the union finance ministry had been held up because of some disparities in figures. He intends to fly to New Delhi tomorrow to meet the union finance minister in case the latter has returned to the capital, he said.


Even the Indian Puppet is getting sick of the army.


Tarun,

Pakistanis arent completely illiterate. Its not like they look at a piece of writing and are clueless to its meaning. Illiteracy includes reading and writing, and most Pakistanis can read, even the tribals ones ive visited. They cant write in Urdu though.

Pakistans education is not good, but i think its a joke to say indias is better. Indias is merely more available, whereas Pakistans is not.

I also heard in a show called 'dark horizons' over Kashmir, that India had a 60% poverty rate. WB recently announced it had 40% povery, up from 17% in 1985.

Now about bush,

That incident made him self concious, and now he wants to find out about everything.

And about Urdu Hindi, I still think Urdus script is much harder. I dint grow up with the urdu, or hindi script, but i found hindi to be so much easier, and

Urdu is not always phoenetic. Urdu retains Arabic spellings, and that means urdu has : 3"z's", 5 "d's", several "T's", 3 "s's", not to mention the puzzling system of mutations in the words. Urdu also includes the exhaled letters as in hindi, but recently in Pakistan, those letters have been dropped in prounounciaion since non punjabis and muhajirs cant prounounce them right, but retained in Writing.

Example:

Tha is written with the 'butterfly' t and a, but it is pronounced taa more and more(taa is a persian word). I even heard that some people use the word "Ast" for "is", instead of "he", but they still write he. When writing a book, a northern urdu speaker in Punjab(refugees from UP) now write and read books, but when they dictate, they have to write "hai", when someone says "ast". Urdu also uses decorative praises after mentioning a prophet, and that is written in everyday speech to, and thats in arabc spellings, which is even more confusing.


Urdu, unlike Hindi, retains Arabic and Persian plurals(ie. Madrasa become Madaris, rather than madrase), which have always been written, but only recently have been spoken. The Urdu word for car, is pronounced as it is in hindi, but it is commonly written with the arabic spelling, sayaarah.

Ridwan,

Bush has heard of Kashmir - but that's about it.
But he's clueless. Someone asked him who the Prime Minister of India was,on public TV,and he didn't know.

Tarun


PS:- people in India find learning English the hardest ! Forget hindi and urdu - English is a real mission for them. English isn't a phonetic language (write it how you pronounce it),whereas hindi and urdu are.
Also this is getting quite irrelevant - Pakistan's illiteracy is 28% whereas India's is 51%. Pakistan has more poverty and crappier social schemes (ie, schooling and education)

Tarun

Ridwan,
I guess it's down to a personal viewpoint.A muslim friend of mine from India found Hindi harder than Urdu because he'd been brought up on Urdu,and when he started to learn to read and write Hindi - he found it hard because it was just too different.

Tarun.

Savraj,

Bush does know where Kashmir is, sorry to burst your bubble.

Tarun,

Have u seen Urdu? Each letter has like 4 forms, unlike Hindi in which the letters are all the same, which a few joinings. In Urdu, some letters may be mistaken for another as the complexity is so confusing. Do you know Urdu adopted Arabic calligraphy? Urdu also has the habit of cancelling out some strokes to make it less crowded, and its too complex to even use on a computer, unlike straight and flat hindi. The word Kashmir for example is written on a 45 degree angle, while the word is in urdu is written flat, with the last letter goin underneath the first. Punjabi and Hindi, which i can read, are not nearly as hard as Urdu. Only dravid languages may have a harder script.

Tarun

His name is George W. Bush. His old man's name is George Bush. So to seperate them both people call father Bush and junior Dubyia (W)

Taj and Savraj,

What's Dubiya ? I know you're referring to George Bush II ... what does it mean ?

Am,

Kidhaan? Yeah, you're right - they still do teach sanskrit in schools in India. They did in my school (when I was there),but I never learnt it.

Ridwan,

How is the Urdu script harder than any Indian script?
(THIS I HAVE TO HEAR)

Tarun.

Taj

Clinton is way more funnier that Dubbyia. Did you see his lame duck president movie for one of the media events. Clinton skrewed up bad but he came from nothing and became the prez of U.S. That is what I admire most about him. He is the only president who is truly comfertable with minorities. Some people call him the first black prez of the U.S.

Dubbyia on the other hand is a rich little boy with learning disabilities. All he did during his acceptance speech was attack Clinton and Gore. Gore on the other hand told his whole agenda for presidency in his speech. Gore is the most active VP in the U.S. history.

Dubya Bush is fulla shit.He's spoonfed by his clever CIA old man and when he became Governor he went round the bend of learning he was a popular choice for President.
Its true he seems slow on the uptake about certain things,but I must admit I find his gaffes pretty hilarious,I mean I literally laughed my ass off reading about him today and what he has said and done.The guys a funny man.No US President is as funny as him.Hes honest and upfront and th- at - s what I love about him.Did you see him on David Letterman!!!!!!!

Al Gore is too serious,a deadbeat,frightening guy I must say.Why is Bush ahead of him?I dont understand.US President should work to make Russia a strong nation again,get it back on its feet.

Ridwan

Bush can't spell "Texas" name of the state he is governor of. I don't know what's wrong with the Republican party but they have picked the stupidist man to be president. Clington's stupdity has killed votes for Gore. That is the only reason Bush even has a chance.

I my opinion if Bush wins this country is going to the dogs. I doubt if he is even familiar with the kashmiri problems. There is 100% chance that he does not even know where Kashmir is.

"don't understand what you two go on about most of the time.It goes over my head,to be honest ! But I will put in my thoughts here. Ridwan - Urdu is a language just like Hindi,Punjabi,Gujarati,Tamil etc. You can't say it is harder than any Indian language. That's a silly argument.
My Dad says back in his time in Punjab,they used to teach Sanskrit (a dead language) in some of the schools.So,that's got to be hard !
Anyways,that's it really.
Bye, "

Why do people on this board missread so much? I didnt say Urdu was harder to learn(as to speak), i said its SCRIPT was harder, and it is.

"Ridwan
stop telling falsehoods. Bush does not want to get involved in an area where US interests are not involved. He was/is against U.S. geting involved in Kosvo. He does not want the US to be world's policeman.

Garbachov geting involved? what can he do? nothing absolutly nothing. "

Falsehoods? I like that word, but their not 'falsehoods". Bush wants to get involved in everything, like every other president. Why did US get involved in Panama, Grenada, Kuwait, Bosnia, Kosova? he is not heartless, selfish man. He knows well whats happening in Kashmir, and he does want to help, as does al gore. Clinton started the trend, and Gore and Bush want to carry on the legacy of peace findings.

I don't understand what you two go on about most of the time.It goes over my head,to be honest ! But I will put in my thoughts here. Ridwan - Urdu is a language just like Hindi,Punjabi,Gujarati,Tamil etc. You can't say it is harder than any Indian language. That's a silly argument.
My Dad says back in his time in Punjab,they used to teach Sanskrit (a dead language) in some of the schools.So,that's got to be hard !
Anyways,that's it really.
Bye,
Am

Ridwan
stop telling falsehoods. Bush does not want to get involved in an area where US interests are not involved. He was/is against U.S. geting involved in Kosvo. He does not want the US to be world's policeman.

Garbachov geting involved? what can he do? nothing absolutly nothing.

"1) Pakistan has A LOT of catching up to do. "

Like i said, its still catching up, its not par.

"2) Drinking is not allowed in sikhi. Even hinduism for that matter - but we all still do it anyways. OK- even if that "dhaba talk" was REMOTELY serious - where is the "right" leader going to come from ? They are not just born or anything ,you know ?
Seriously - Khalistan is like your Pakhtoonistan thing - Dead and Buried . "

What you call dhaba talk reflects the true feelings of the people. People are more open when they are in a relaxed setting. Khalistan and Pashtoonistan are nothjing alike. Pakistan did not attack the roots of the religion in the frontier. The Pashtoonistan movement was never an armed movement. The Pakistani army did not commit massive human rights abuses. The Pakistanis didnt event have to kill the leaders, as the movement had little support, unlike Khalistan. Pashtoonistan leaders are in Pakistan right now, and where are they living? Peshawar? Nope, try Islamabad

Khalistan leaders are abroad, in exile, and are still comitted to their cause. Pashtoon leaders such as Wali Khan are just nationalists, and Pakistani nationalists want whats best for their nation(ie ethnic race, not the western concept of a nation). Wali Khan runs the National Awami Party, which has a large following in the Punjab. Another leader of teh movement, Ajmal Khattak, said Pashtoonistan is merely the pashtun race, and not a seperate nation.

"3) Madeline Albright - I don't think the Kashmir thing will happen. Even if it does - which Kashmir - Pakistan Kashmir or Indian Kashmir (considering US are on better terms with Indian than Pakistan) ?
And also - even if Al Gore wins, is it necessary he's going to keep Albright as his Sectrary of State ? "

Well, even in albright doesnt visit kashmir(and i heard she meant to visit both), gorbachev is getting involved in it too. If gore wins, he doesnt have to keep her, but who does he have lined up to take her spot? Even if she is dismissed, Kashmir wont go away. It will still be there. And Bush, who is winning in the polls, said kashmir was on his agenda, and he, like his father, is known to support the Kashmiri people over the Indian or Pakistani governments.


"Other 3 points - as for GDP and PCI - I will surf about and get some figures and get back to you.Another point worth taking into account MIGHT be % literacy. That is indicator too.
As for Imran Khan - the man is educated.People know him.What better platform ? Just 'cos Ronald Reagan wasn't the best of Presidents, doesn't mean that all with a non-political background are doomed to fail in the political arena ! "

Pakistans illiteracy is high, but keep this in mind, its not like the people have no idea whats on the paper. Most can read(thats how they read the Quran). Urdu is a difficult script to master when writing, and illiteracy includes reading and writing.

"Finally-As for Indo-Pak.Hostility is there.If you say there is going to be a war ... who is going to throw the first "punch" ? "

Who knows.

"Even in Kargil last year - Pakistan didn't Internationally back the Mujahideen. It never came down to a Pakistan -vs- India war. India never crossed the LoC.No country actually exchanged "punches".

It basically was a war, and i heard in some Indian polls that 85% of the people wanted India to cross the LOC.

"down 1 Indian plane, India shot one of Pakistan's down. Will that be repeated again ? "

When did Pakistan loose a plane? In fact, i remember Pakistan shooting down 2 planes, and the Mujahideen shooting down an Indian gunship.

kargil was a dangerous brink, if it happens again, what would stop them from going to war?

I am currently researching a documentry based on the Shera Punjab. This documentary will be shown on Channel 4 in the United Kingdom, if any one has any information please do not hesitate in contacting me

Everyone,
Check out these pages.

1) http://www.timesofindia.com/today/28home6.htm
This one is about the RSS and it's claims of solid links between Harappa Civilization and Hindutva of today.

2) http://www.timesofindia.com/today/28indu1.htm
This one will be wayyy more interesting. It's about Canadian Police arresting two people in connection with the Air India Flight 182 bombing in 1985.


(If the links don't work, go to www.timesofindia.com and it'll be on the front page. The Air India bombing part is under "India" section)

Tarun.

Traun

About the Albright issue. Even if the next prez is from the same party there is usually a complete overhaul of the cabinet. I'm sure she will be gone with Clinton. Even when Clinton won the second election he changed most of his cabinet

Ridwan,

1) Pakistan has A LOT of catching up to do.

2) Drinking is not allowed in sikhi. Even hinduism for that matter - but we all still do it anyways. OK- even if that "dhaba talk" was REMOTELY serious - where is the "right" leader going to come from ? They are not just born or anything ,you know ?
Seriously - Khalistan is like your Pakhtoonistan thing - Dead and Buried .

3) Madeline Albright - I don't think the Kashmir thing will happen. Even if it does - which Kashmir - Pakistan Kashmir or Indian Kashmir (considering US are on better terms with Indian than Pakistan) ?
And also - even if Al Gore wins, is it necessary he's going to keep Albright as his Sectrary of State ?

Other 3 points - as for GDP and PCI - I will surf about and get some figures and get back to you.Another point worth taking into account MIGHT be % literacy. That is indicator too.
As for Imran Khan - the man is educated.People know him.What better platform ? Just 'cos Ronald Reagan wasn't the best of Presidents, doesn't mean that all with a non-political background are doomed to fail in the political arena !
Finally-As for Indo-Pak.Hostility is there.If you say there is going to be a war ... who is going to throw the first "punch" ? Even in Kargil last year - Pakistan didn't Internationally back the Mujahideen. It never came down to a Pakistan -vs- India war. India never crossed the LoC.No country actually exchanged "punches". Pakistan shot down 1 Indian plane, India shot one of Pakistan's down. Will that be repeated again ?

"1) Pakistan is no way in the same league as India when it comes to the IT bandwagon. Just go to San Francisco/San Jose. It's all South Indians there. "

I didnt say pakistan was equal, read it closely, i said it was catching up.

"2) As for the dhaba and the Khalistan talk - yaar, dhaba talk is dhaba talk ! Let's leave it at that. You wanna hear "pub talk" sometime ! That's even more fun !!! "

Those people werent drunk. Anyways, isnt it wrong to drink in sikhism?

"3) You mentioned in an earlier posting about Madeline Albright - ummmm, I'm not too clear on American politics but I might be wrong - isn't there a General Election in a month (or within a month) ... if, the Republicans win,won't Miss Albright be out of a job ??? "

Miss Albright may be dismissed, but its not for sure.


"1) Can you support your argument about Pakistanis being more well-off than Indians by providing some figures,please. I THINK (am not sure) but India's GDP (Gross Domestic Product) is much more than Pakistan's, and so too is the PCI (Per Capita Income).
When you check for the figures,can you check for them two figures,as they are the main indicators. "

I dont knwo any statistical proof, but from what i saw, Pakistanis are better off. Indias economy may be bigger, but as with Pakistan the wealth is with the wealthy. I also heard ina few places that Pakistans PCI was anywhere from $486 to about $2100 compared with indias $350ish to $2000

"2) I like Imran Khan.I haven't met him.I'd like to. My girlfriend has,(she used to work in the media) and says he's a really nice and polite man. The man might have been a cricketer - so what ? What better platform / Means of advertisement ? That way, Ronald Reagan was an actor before turning to politics.
(PS:he was a good cricketer,but that's irrelevant!)"

And do you think Reagan was a good president? Not very meny Americans think so.

"3) Ridwan - I think both countries are more "bark" than "bite". Both are nuclear. Both use that status as a deterrent. The only war that they are likely to have is the one that's going on - a low scale proxy war. "

Let be realistic, all relations have taken a turn for the worse. Hostility is at an all-time high, and the two have experience with war. A war is inevitable, and in this next one, both countries will be losers.

Three things I've missed out -

1) Pakistan is no way in the same league as India when it comes to the IT bandwagon. Just go to San Francisco/San Jose. It's all South Indians there.

2) As for the dhaba and the Khalistan talk - yaar, dhaba talk is dhaba talk ! Let's leave it at that. You wanna hear "pub talk" sometime ! That's even more fun !!!

3) You mentioned in an earlier posting about Madeline Albright - ummmm, I'm not too clear on American politics but I might be wrong - isn't there a General Election in a month (or within a month) ... if, the Republicans win,won't Miss Albright be out of a job ???

Tarun

Ridwan,

1) Can you support your argument about Pakistanis being more well-off than Indians by providing some figures,please. I THINK (am not sure) but India's GDP (Gross Domestic Product) is much more than Pakistan's, and so too is the PCI (Per Capita Income).
When you check for the figures,can you check for them two figures,as they are the main indicators.

2) I like Imran Khan.I haven't met him.I'd like to. My girlfriend has,(she used to work in the media) and says he's a really nice and polite man. The man might have been a cricketer - so what ? What better platform / Means of advertisement ? That way, Ronald Reagan was an actor before turning to politics.
(PS:he was a good cricketer,but that's irrelevant!)

3) Ridwan - I think both countries are more "bark" than "bite". Both are nuclear. Both use that status as a deterrent. The only war that they are likely to have is the one that's going on - a low scale proxy war.

Tarun.