It is so true about what Network said about Pakistani Media. They manipulate the news before they put it before the Pakistani people, and obviously they are going to hate the Indians. But I would love the Pakistanis to come to India, and see how the Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus live together. Religion doesnt even come into consideration, its the last thing they have in mind while conducting their everyday lives. They're all the same. But I do have to admit, that the politicians in India, and Pakistan, and the British when they were in India, have tried their utmost best to create a rift between these people. Its because of them tat we had all the problems that we have had. The British started the game of Divde and Rule, and it is still living amongst the politicians in these 2 countries. I think we are all grown up enough to understand that all men are equal and religion doesnt decide what sort a person one is. Its the politicians who dictate it to us,and some foolish people beleive them. Its such a pity.
Kabir, a muslim Sufi saint, has lines in the Guru Granth Sahib. Need I say more about what true religion, any religion, teaches?! We are all kids of the same Creator!

It isnt Islam that is the prob, its some of the muslims that follow it. Islam is a religion of peace. Some muslims following Islam Misinterpret the Koran but most muslims are decent people and do follow Islam correctly. I have read many messages on here and from what I can see you people are judging people on their religion and not for the person they are. Im Hindu and I have many muslim friends, half of which I call my brothers. Not all muslims are the same. Infact most muslims are good people. Dont judge people for the religion they follow, judge a person for what they are like. JAI SHREE KRISHNA

french... it comes because muslims dont get on with any religion. Im not being abusive, rather stating the truth... muslims do NOT tolerate other religions. they are backward! sikhs on the other hand are westernised and intelligent just as all other religions but islam. This is the reason all other religions are killing muslims on a daily basis. I dont hate islam, just stating the facts. Any more questions just ask!

Thanks!

Tote hunda na punjab. Na ronde ravi te chunnab. Bus kee haner pe gaya. Us waris shah the heer lut gayee. Ik khoon see. Baba farid, Guru Nanak, Buleh Shah, Waris shah, Dr M Equbal,Nanak Singh, Balraj Sahni. Punjab ---PunJ Ab. Heer is gone or lost in sialkot or jhang. Sohni is lost somewhere in a chenab. I wish there was one Punjab. We were one. No one was killing one an other .There was no Muslim League, Or BJP. Any way days of roses and wines are gone.Punjab took the biggest hit. Paid a ransom of freedom with its blood literally.ask those leader fanatics, to forget the borders, religions, Yo are not going to live or last forever. Live with peace.
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hi!
im french i'd like to understand why sikhs and muslims hate each others? from where does this hatred come?

yo big up to u human !!

ur one of the few people who has spoken sense and spoken like a true hindu. its people like u who i have respect for. yo i am muslim and as a muslim i respect all other religions coz this is what my religion teaches.

its no point wasting your time bro tryin to make these people understand some people are just too ignorant.

I agree with network, ALOT of muslims are fanatics and dysfunctional, but I guess most arent. Very well said network, well done!!

Sullahs will never be the same as a hindu or a sikh.
The hindus and sikhs are not animals.
Can I put it any simpler?
Now stop all the rubbish, there is nothing to talk about!

Dear Friend

Pl do not use this insulting language.
Most Muslim Punjabis are not bad people.

They are good, respectful. It is true that there is a large minority of bigots, fanatics and evil terrorizers but most Punjabis are really not bad.

Frankly I am one of the moderators and Pakistani born but let me disclose that children born after 60s have been tought to hate India, Sikhs, Hindus and they are shown as very bad people, whereas all that is horribly manipulative and untrue. Most Indians I know are wonderful people. This is a very painful thing to understand. Most Punjabis are nice people but they have been twisted and manipulated by religious and political people for their own gains.

network

just try to be a human being i m basically a hindu but i respect all the religion bcoz this is the first lesson of my religion. why we do do hate each others without any reason. past is past and we are living in present and future is on the way.in present world need humanity first and religion at last. jsut see around urself how much poverty illeteracy corruption and bigotism has been spread. why dont we try to sort out these things on the firstly basis. all the religions are same as the humans bcoz all r made by same god.we fight on religions what a shame for us. none of religion teach to hate with others. jsut bcoz of few misguided people we are throwing •••• on each other. should we really do this?
i want to make request to all my friends that we are same though we belong to different religion.i really disharted when i went through thgis page and saw a lot of ••••. well i can pray to almighty god plz! save his human race from these type of things.
plz! try to understand me.

Hey Mr. Pakistanis, please don't worry about us Sikhs and Hindus

I can't guarantee about everyone, but usually when a Sikh and a Hindu meet, an automatic relationship is created - a relationship of brother/sister, a relationship of uncle/nephew or niece, just like when two Sikhs or two Hindus meet…

This should tell you a lot…

Also, some of the Muslims living in India feel the same way, close to Hindus and Sikh just like their own families….

Dear PCJS

Very well said.
editor

READERS:

These few words say and conclude the cordial relationships people have in India.

Pakistanis who are mis informed by movies or propaganda of PTV must know that friendship and brotherhood is still the key of cordiality and love in India.

Network

Priyasen

I like what u have come out with but if you were a true practising hindu or sikh, you would know that both religions teach followers to respect one another and their beliefs aswell as promoting peace. You obviously don't practice that well do you. as you quoted

"To my Hindu-Sikh brothers and sisters,we should do more to spread the word of love and peace,then hatred among us. Do not let the muslims come between us".

At the end of the day, yes i understand there has been a number of muslims who have persecuted both hindus and sikh, but once again why point the finger at 1.3 billion muslims because of a handful of muslims in proportion have been mislead.

If you want to promote peace and unity you need to promote it including everyone otherwise there is no point of it. and let me just add hindustaan(ie. india, pakistaan, punjaab and anything else) belongs not to any one religion but to all who live in it.

PS: it was the british empire who used the tactics of devide and conquer to seperate hindustaan. learn your history. and talking of oppertunists, the majority of hindustaanis that were employed by the british empire to torture their own hindustaani brothers were Sikh !!!

the last message is not something i like to mention but many of you seem to keen to bring down other religions and like to interperate holy texts to suit you, but maybe you should take the time to research on your own religions.

HEY,YOU PAKIS,COME ON WE ARE WAITING TO FIGHT ONCE AGAIN.SINCE 1971,WE CREATED SO MANY PARKS AND WE NEED MORE OF YOUR TANKS AND WAR PLANES.OUR CHILDREN ARE TIRED OF PLAYING WITH YOUR OLD TANKS.YOU PAKIS ARE LIKE DOGS ••••.YOU KNOW WHAT IS ••••?IT'S YOU ALL.IN 1947 YOUR GRANDFATHERS HAD DONE A MISTAKE,YOU HAVE TO CORRECT THAT BY COMING BACK TO INDIA OR OTHERWISE WE WILL DO THIS.I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTANDS ME.TAKE CARE OF YOUR NEW BORNS.YOU ARE TRYING TO DEFEAT INDIA.YOU KNOW IF ALL INDIANS URINATE IN PAKISTAN'S DIRECTION ALL YOU WILL DIE.ITS YOUR"AUKHAAT".

History following the division of the country by fanatic muslim leaguers has not been kind to both the Sikh and Hindu.Because of the insecurity created by the MUSLIM fanatics,some fringe elements within the Sikhs and Hindus gave rise to differences.

Largely grave injustice was done to the PEOPLE of Punjab by the central government,who unfortunately representative of the whole country was mainly non Punjabi Sikhs:therefore did NOT understand the true nature of the issues,and sought to divide the people.

Sadly,many Sikhs inadvertently fell prey,wrongly,to the situation that developed.A sad divide became apparent.

Then gutter politics took over and mayhem broke loose.

No sane voice was listened to.Sikh/Hindu brother was pitted against Hindu /Sikh brother all in the name of religion,fear,insecurity and divison of the country.

Soon the rightful needs of the Punjab became the NEEDs of THE SIKHS,and the threats to Sikh UNITY became shattered of fear to the Hindus.


The age old ties became a memory,and animalism took over.Excesses were carried whenever the opportunity arose by one brother against the other.

Soon the mother was left crying in the blood of thousands of innocent Sikhs.

I am a Hindu.My family went out of way to protect many Sikh.We were threatened by hoodloooms on the path of destruction.I was 9 and I saved a Sikh male by saying that he was my hindu brother,my parents rang around and invited many Sikhs to take refuge in our house and that of relatives.I now many other families did the same.

I remember along with my brothers and sisters staying awake all night to safe guard the innocent people that were in our home.

I grew up,and met a Sardar from Malaysia in Washington,and never thought twice of telling my parents,who never winked an eye when I introduced him to them.I married him as according to Anand Karaj sanskaar.My children are Sikh,while some of my nephews are Hindu.Another of my sister has married a Sardar from Bombay.She practices Sikhism just as I do.It was never alien to us.We are both at home in Sikhism.

My parents have never felt out of place, when they came to visit us,and the first thing we did on one sunday morning was to take them to the Gurduara,in Washington DC.

Before they returned to India,they went to the Gurduara to do ardaas and paath.Both my parents are practisng Hindus.

I have full sympathy for the Sikhs and evil that befell not only on the Sikhs but upon us all as Indians;but we need to learn from that and not be fanatics like it happened in 1947.

I sometimes recall back 1984,and freeze at the thought I could have become a victim in those evil days along with my sardar husband,even though I was born a hindu, as much as a Sikh.My Sikh children could have been the victims of the hindu killers,even though their mother is a Hindu.

To me Hindustan is Khalistan,Khalistan is Hindustan.A name makes no difference.

There has been too much done to spread hatred.Let us all do a little to spread love between us all.India,Hindustan,Khalstan Bharat is OUR country.We have deep blood relationship.

Do not blame the millions who love Sikhs as their own for the crimes of a few thousand killers. Hindus should not blame the millions of Sikhs for the crimes of a handful few Sikhs who were misled by opportunitists to cause animosity for their own reasons.

How can we then on the hearsay of a few fanatics of both communities divide ourselves and our country?

To my Hindu-Sikh brothers and sisters,we should do more to spread the word of love and peace,then hatred among us. Do not let the muslims come between us

hi i was just wondering are turbans supposed to give sikhs mystikal powers?

yo to all ur sikhs out der that think muslims are extremists and terrorists. read some of ur ••••.

(i've also included sites so u can verify them for ur self)

http://www.dailyfreepress•••••/news/2003/11/25/Opinion/Ethnic.Groups.Must.Get.Along-567803.shtml

1) I was disheartened to read the accusatory tone of the article on the “Sikh remembers massacres in India” (Nov. 24, pg. 1). While I do not condone any form of violence, I would want to point out that extremist Sikhs were responsible for the killings of thousands of Hindus in India in over a decade of terrorism in Punjab. The bombing of an Air India civilian jet by Canadian Sikh extremists killed 331 innocents over the Atlantic Ocean in 1985. This toll is higher than the Pan Am Lockerbie bombing by Libyan terrorists over Scotland in 1988.


http://www.nasog.net/intelligence/terrorism/organizations/Sikh_Terrorism.htm

2)Sikh terrorism is sponsored by expatriate and
Indian Sikh groups who want to carve out an
independent Sikh state called Khalistan (Land
of the Pure) from Indian terroritory. Active
groups include Babbar Khalsa, International Sikh
Youth Federation, Dal Khalsa, Bhinderanwala
Tiger Force. A previously unknown group, the
Saheed Khalsa Force, claimed credit for the
marketplace bombings in New Delhi in 1997.

3)Sikh attacks in India are mounted against Indian
officials and facilities, other Sikhs, and Hindus;
they include assassinations, bombings, and kidnappings.
These attacks have dropped markedly since 1992,
as Indian security forces have killed or captured a
host of senior Sikh militant leaders and scored other
successes against extremist groups. Many low-intensity
bombings that might be attributable to Sikh extremists
now occur without claims of credit.


(yo jattdguri and all u other sikhs wot wer u sayin about hindus and sikhs joining together. all u hindus out der defend ur own let them sikhs fight der own battles. they think they r warriors. i checked out that website that muslim quoted and oh •••• 23 million is all u got)

HMF, whatever, there shouldn't be any Khalistan...

It wouldn't be good for most people, even the people who would decide to live in it....

Our gurus said the simple truth... They didn't pick and choose anything from Hinduism or Islam...

You just happened to be lucky if they said something that had any relevance at all with your religion...

It only shows that your religion isn't entirely false....

yo pcjs and all u next sikhs

first of all ur known as traitors to the hindus n e way. if u look at ur religion closely ur gurus played pick & mix with the muslim and hindu religions. u think muslims are ur only enemies in the world c how much the hindu nation loves u. they won't give u khalistaan or punjab (whateva its called), punjab is the highest paying state in the whole of india, and ur woman get raped by the indian army weneva they feel like having a shag. punjab is like a brothel!!!

Hey Pakistani, you are too funny....

You have been trying to finish us off for last 500 years and you think you are gonna be able to do so in next 6 years...

Just because your ancestors chickened out and accepted Islam, it doesn't mean, we would do the same...

hi :-)

Thos versees from quarn are fake!! do not listn do not see! And tis Muhammad you oily fish brains!

and where did the 114 come from? there are more then 114 muslims in world you heary bihatch!

Ive said before we burn you gurus like we burn wood! dont •••• or you shall pay greatley in hands of god! Sikhs will be finished by 2010 INSHA ALLAH

khuda hafiz

JattDKuri

let me tell u a few things....

1) go to the following website- http://www.adherents•••••/Religions_By_Adherents.html
u will find on this site the rank of religions by size. As u will see islam has a world population of 1,300,000,000 (1.3 Billion) and Sikhism has 23,000,000. Now devide the first by the second and if u used a calculator rather than ur head u will c that the answer cums to 56.52. That means there is 56 and a half muslims to 1 sikh. I dont like to brag about the fact but sum1 needs to teach u a few facts before u start running ur mouth.

2) Im not a silly boy, so dont address me as that, if u want to address me address me as a muslim and i will countinue to address u by ur screen name.

3) prophet muhammed was NOT a peodophile (by the way atleast spell it right next time u use the word). if u are so keen to do research on islam, i got three things to say to u, first ur an idiot with too much time on ur hands, secondly, complete the research and get the proper meanings on verses of the holy books, u wouldn't like it if i started to translate the guru granth sahib by myself would u. and don't worry i wont, i wouldn't sink that low. thirdly to be a peodophile (ur learning how to spell the word aren't u, good on u!!!) u have to commit to some form of sexual activity with a minor. find me a verse which says that the prophet muhammed did such a thing with his wife before her reaching puberty. im sorry but u wont find it. if u wanna know why the prophet married her, it was because she was a very very intelligent young lady who had a vast amount of knowledge. the prophet (pbuh) learnt a lot from her and taught her the knowledge of islam. just as the gurus passed on their knowledge to one another.

4)my sikh mate is here next to me and he agrees that a wife shuld be hit slightlyif she steps out of line. the context of the meanings above (as this is sumthing u tend to forget) is that if ur wife is commiting adultery or commiting major sins as such then it is the husbands rite to hit her. (by the way it did say lightly in brackets. the pakis do the wife beating business). I know for a fact that even if a sikh or hindu guy found his gyal wid sum next man he would kick the •••• out of her!!
What u have to remember is that god made us humans not angels. we r not perfect. far from it actually. so we will commit minor sins. to start beating ur wife on these grounds is ridiculous. that is what pakis do and not all as well. get it rite pakis not muslims.

5) Just admit it ur problem is wid the pakis and not the muslims. A muslim is a sinner if he disrespects the sikh religion or the hindu religion or any other. may be u shud learn to try and get along wid muslims and u will c their good side. and no not the paki badboy wannabees dont count coz they will make u feel the way u feel now. i do agree wid u on 1 thing though and that is my best mates are true warriors coz they are truthful, respectful and practicing hindus and sikhs, they say what they have too and they walk away from a racist issue without getting in to a fight. on the other hand there is u who no doubt chats •••• and ends up in fight. and it is because of ppl like them that i have not turned in to a racist against other religions.

REMEMBER: to attain respect you must give it first. try it and u will c.

By the way try following the sikh religion correctly first. as my mate has just said if u r a true practising sikh u would respect other religions. u obviously don't. and if u are a true warrior why dont u pack ur bags, leave the western world and go to punjab/india and fight there against muslims. u just aint got the balls. have u ??? u jus hide behind a computer monitor and stay anonymous, well its ur life try not wasting it.

Muslim, I can see you are still a little boy and so I am going to keep this short but sweet (same as a muslim ••••• but without the sweet!) We are prepared to fight in person and have done so twice and beat pakistan. India has told the whole muslims, inc every muslim country, they can defeat them all, on a number of occasions. The ratio is 1:1.4 you silly little boy. The quaran was made by Mohammed who was a pedeophile, did you know that? So dont bother listening to anything written in there. Shame on the hindu and sikh soldiers that are your friends, they should know better then to be friends with a sullah.

Verses from quran:

ARBERRY [4]: "Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great."





SHAKIR [5]: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.





ALI [6]: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all).

This proves the only people you can beat are your own muslim women!
We are the TRUEST warriors of them all! R_E_S_P_E_C_T

all u idiots that cum on to this website r a bunch of losers who r too scared to fight in the real world. First of all i am a muslim not a paki to all u sikhs out der, recognise the difference. A real muslim respects ppl of all religeons including sikhs and hindus. A paki respects none other than his own kind inc an indian muslim.

So the next time u wanna diss a paki, diss the the paki culture and not the islamic religeon. At the end of the day if u bring religeon in to it then please do ur research beforehand. The ratio of muslims to sikhs is 52 - 1 (By the way thats 52 muslims to 1 Sikh). And dont chat bullshit from sum fairy tale that u'll still kick our ••••• coz u neva will. while we r on this subject let me teach u a few things about muslims. we dont have our dicks chopped off, we r circumcised. if u open up the english dictionary u'll learn that this means to have ones foreskin removed and it is scientifically proven to be healthy.By the way il like u to answer this why are all sikhs that cum on here happy that america will kick our ass. cant u do it urselves. oh sorry u jus dont have the numbers.

As for u pakis ur just the same as the others who come on here. its a good job u get ur ••••• kicked as well. u chat •••• to sikhs and hindus and wen u get ur ••••• kicked u seek protection from ur fellow muslim brothers. whats the point, u disobey god by dissing other ppls beliefs and then u expect god to help u. yeah rite

try reading the quraan sum time and u may learn a few things. remember u can fight ur enemies with ur words not with ur fists.

By the way my best mates r a hindu and a sikh and they share the same view as me.

in a bit

RAT, oh i mean kat

shut the hell up u ignorant piece of uneducated slime

First things first, this has nothing to do with islam but pakistani's need to understand that they are a joke, since sept 11 they have no respect from anyone and even their own are a ashamed of being a pakisani,they are constantly dissed by everyone.Not to forget the whole sick thing about marrying your cousins. SICK.

Sikhs are just as focked up, theres no need to be bringing religon into this, if you do,then go and lay under a oncoming bus, because thats what you losers derseve, a waste of space, you all are better of dead.

As for that HUT article, any sikh who does convert is ok with me but those who then convert and then diss the sikhs should be killed. Once a sikh converts don't bother coming back, you bunch of sell outs, you derseve to be fukin killed.

listen u fuckin oily sikhs out there, wash ur fuckin hair then go actin all bad. ur stinkin smell can be smelt worldwide....lol....bet the only time u fuckin take a bath is when u visit the dirty river ganges thats if u get a chance once in a lifetime....u oilheads out there just know the fact that PAKISTANIS are the best, but just cant face the fact....

yo a big up to all the pakis out there, congrats ur successfully blazin da oily filth bombs who polute our sacred land. you sikh turbanators out there get a life. direct ur low life moms n sisters to purchase some new fashioned outfits.... bet ur pussy granies pass down down thier clothes as inheritance...i think u lot should stop eatin 4rm our restuarants coz ur mamas r gettn tooo obese...
i kicked a pumpkin off a mother •••••• today it landed in guru nanas head.

lol u fuckin saps all u pakiz r fuckin wannabes u all try go on like ur black ! and if u hate sikhs so much y do u listen to our music? speak out language? and try gwan like ur da warrior race, wen u dun know its all about da sikhs!!! u pakiz fuckin marry ur into ur own family how disgusting! and u fuckin tink ur bad wen about 10 of u start on 1 singh das proberly younga den u aswell!! all u lot r pussyz non of u cud test us in a proper 1 on 1 fight! pakiz r just retarts! otha muslim like arabs n dat r safe tho

ALL OF YA ARE KIDS MAN, CARRY ON THO CUZ SUM OF THE CUSSES R REALLY FUNNY....NAH SERIOUSLY GOD IS 1 U FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LEARN 2 RESEPCT EACH OTHAS RELIGIONS, ESPECIALLY MY SIKH BROTHERS, WE SHUD KNO BETTA THAN THAT, WE SHUDNT DEGRADE OTHEE RELGIONS. BUT I I DO HATE PAKIES THO, OTHA MUSLIMS R OK!!!

WJKK WJKF

hey...
commmon....SIKHS AND MUSLIMS .... shut it!!its enough now!
stop using bad language 4 each other's religions!!
RELIGION s got nofing to do wid it!!
its just countries....INDIA $ PAKISTAN!¬!

hey....sikh paaji....if u wanna say somefing say it on the name of PAKI...not muslim!
GOD IS ONE --- if we sware prophet....we sware guru..so be care full

but still.....india..........i lov it man!!
singhs....dont give up!! keep goin... but b care ful

kill the sikhs no mother ****er kill you. you ****en cave mens ****en muslim. you better not be talking **it like that over here in sacramento us punjabi will bomb on your a**.Also same in seattle thats right ***ch sacramento and seattle punjabi gangs got connection and with got more gun then your god osama **ck laden ....ohhh you like that little rock licks and yeah after your done with the black rock you can come and su** our ***ks!!!

WELL GUESS WHAT" YOU SIKHZ TALK SH*T BECUSE YOU LOT KNOW THAT WE RULE PAKIZ RUN THINGS AND YOU LOW LIFE HAIRY MOTHER**** CANT TAKE DA HEAD COME 2 BRADFORD AND WE WOULD TELL YOU WHAT A MUSLIM IS LOLZ
MAKE SURE U HAVE A BATH B4 YOU COME YOU DIRTY RAGG HEADS ;) LOL Z GRANTH SAHIB WAS A PENCHOOD!!!!!!! THATS THE TRUTH ;)

see calgary might be known as cowtown but punjabi's no how to make •••• go down it use to be pretty crazy down here back in da day when DK coolboys use to go to fowler it would be niggers and lebs vs punjabi's DK kicked da shi* out of all of dam in da hallways in da cafeteria their wuz a war between punjabi's and blacks and lebs and da back of da pizza shop four years ago which made da news for three weeks and news papers about young gangs in calgary when DK and coco guys beat da shi* out of da lebs and niggers ambulences and cop cars were everywere all u could see were a hundred niggers and lebs acting like gangsters when their were only 30 guys from dk and coco and 6 other guys wit him and they chased da lebs and niggers kicked da •••• out of dam da niggers da muslims got da crap beat out of dam all through high scool by punjabi's

all im gonna say is...............

mohammed married a 6 yr old girl and did her at 9yrs old.

end of conversation. dnt blaze sikhs cuz all mozels do is blow themselves up.....only retards convert to islam usually, so they have to force convert.......

you all probably heard this joke already..hmm let me change it a bit

An islamic leader was meeting George W. Bush for a meeting..and the end of which Bush shook the muslim's hand and said "anything i can do for you, let me know"

The leader of Islam stated, "well, my son loves Star Trek, but u ppl never have shown muslim on it..why?"

Bush smiles and says, "well...see..its in the FUTURE."

Well said Pakistani, I think that your words are wise and kind compared to some of the crap that people on these pages are saying. Its good that you can hold your head high in the face of all these people slanging your religion etc.

Respect

Message to all the sikh brothers and sisters, take example and try to be a little more tolerant of other people. If you want respect you have to offer it. How many of you are rehat abiding sikhs anyway. Done try to defend it if you don't try to follow it.

MESSAGE TO BAD BOY G,BOLTON

I'm gonna riot yo ass down in L-bridge, you betta cut your crap and stop slanging.

Post a message asking forgivness otherwise, Riot will have u.

pakistani, u of all ppl shud keep ur mouth shut. It is U ppl who have no respect in this world now. u r seen as nothing more than violent degenerate terrorists so stop putting down Sikhs. Pal, check the news, bin Laden is MUSLIM not Sikh and not 1 of the highjackers or their backers was/is a Sikh so it is U who shud be ashamed not us.

pakistani, do not judge an entire religion or faith based on a few idiots. You, being a muslim, should know that more that anyone else...particularly in these times.

You people need to get off your high horse .
Your language sucks. you sound like stupid over growen horses with no education. Forget education , you probably dont even know what that means. Stop being so jealous. This is the first time I came to this stupid bithing session for sikhs. Funny thing is that I am Punjabi but a Muslim. Never Have I been more proud to be both. People you sound like ••••• putting each other down. You talk about eac h others mothers and sisters like if is nothing. Realize that you are only so Macho because you behind a moniter. Come face to face with a muslim brother and lets see if your balls start rattling.

You make fun of the Quran... Fools you God, which ever one you want to talk about, says to be respectfull to all religions. I thought the girly bracelet is suppose to be a reminders of anything bad your hands do. So why the hell are they writing stupid stuff.

You want all the Muslims to be killed... fine dont you worry your ass is next. Your people have nooooooooooo repect in this world. You have no home of your own. You live in the land of Hindus, and are pissssssed off that Muslims have many lands of their own.

I have some very closse Sikh friends.. thabk God they dont make a fool of their religion. They have respect for themselves and thus others.

This seems to be a venting place for many of you. Find ways that are more productive.

so what if sikhs are being targetted by sulleh, let us be BUT when it comes down to it sulleh cant touch sikhs fullstop, remember the pussies from bolton or bradford cant do jackshit cos were the true truest warriors and that is our way of life, it always has been and always will be, remember a sikh is the nicest person ul ever meet in youir life BUt the day you mess with a sikh youl be terrorised for the rest of your lives, Warning:do not mess with sikhs!.

Wherever a sikh goes, he is honoured like a king, even the goreh respect the sikh belief and way of life, sikhs even faught alongside goreh in ww1 and ww2, what ? sikhs are good looking, masculine and strong and tough and are sardars, pakis are ugly as hell, deformed, sister shagging paedophiles(please check is this spelt correctly you pakis dogs)!.
pakis now wana open shops and warehouses and be succesful like the sikhs who drive mercs and bmw and ferraris and lexus while you damn half dicks try but you still end up in nissan micras, carinas and butt ugly toyota vans. see the difference in class u ••••••••, now remember you place in uk and fock off. its time for your nimaas while you bonk ur own sisters up the ass.

look to all the load mouth half dick sister marrying mother******* cant fight on there own, my wife is my sister, meat in my daal, goat in my paneer, big orange beard, no mostach because my wife has one, my younger brother is really my dad - please bring it on when you are ready

why the f*ck is anyone blazing sikh turban and beard? guess wat, in the times before every asian turned white when they came to the west, like in the times of gurus and before, pretty much everyone wore a turban and a beard, cuttin your hair is a WESTERNISED thing, do ur research and u will find that cutting hair was made 'fashionable' by ALEXANDER THE GREAT - witeman, so if you think it is dirty to have a turban (yeah only its cleana coz an amritdahari washes hair every morning) then it is a stoopid white man talking, not a true indian pakistani or wateva, it dont make a difference wat relgiion u r, because god resides in all of us.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL BAD BATTY BOY U JUS FRETTIN 4 NO REASON COZ U KNOW UR ASS IS GONNA BE WHOPPED IN2 HELL WHERE ALLAH AND MUHAMMED ARE. AMERICA GONNA KIK UR SORRY ASSES GOODBYE!I TRULY FEEL SORRY 4 U COZ UR A PAKI. U HAD YR DIK CHOPPED OF YET?? REMEMBER 2 COVER UP UR WIFEY WIV A 1000 BLACK SHEETS LIKE A GHOST AND DONT FORGET TO PRAY 2 ALLAH 64 TIMES A DAY OK? NOW GO AND FUK UR COUSIN COZ SHES WAITIN 4 U BATTY BAD BOY HAVE A SHORT MEANINGLESS SORRY LIFE!

KILL DA SIKHS,SIKHS R A JOKE TO DA HUMAN,UR SO UGLY AND DISGUSTING MAN U MAKE ME SICK.U BASTARDS NEED TO SHAVE AND AVE A SHOWER SMARTIN YOURSELFS UP,EVEN IF U DO THAT U'LL STILL LOOK LIKE MY SHIT,AND MAN TAKE THAT BULLSHIT TURBAN OF YOUR HEADS THATS THA FUNNIEST, BIG DRUM ON YOUR HEADS,U'LL THINGS ITS SOME KIND OF NEW TREND WEARING THAT FING ON YOUR HEADS.U THING U BAD CAUSE U CARRY BIG SWORDS ON YOUR ASS.WHAT U NEED TO DO WITH THEM SWORDS IS SHAVE EACH OTHERS UGLY BEARDS OFF.ME I CAN GO ON AND ON STAR,BUT Y BOTHER U ONLY SMELLY SIKHS GOOD 4 •••• ALL,AND U NO PAKIS RUN FINGS THATS Y U'LL P***** OF AT US,AND U NO THAT,U CHAT ALL DIS SHIT ON DIS STUPID SIKH WEB SITE DON'T MEAN NOTHING.

MAN I CAN'T WAIT TILL AMERICA GET ALL YA MUSLIMS

MAN I CAN'T WAIT TILL AMERICA KIK YA PAKI ASS'S I WISH YA'LL DIE

MAN I CAN'T WAIT TILL AMERICA KIK YA FUKIN PAKI ASS'S I WISH YA'LL DIE

I hate fukkin sullaz they just are stupid bitches after yesterday i wana kik some muslim ass

IM THINKING ABOUT SHOVING LEFT LEG UP HIS ASSSSS!!

hello left leg and right leg! Where you heading?

MAN THAT WAS A LONG MESSAGE!!

MATE I THINK UR MIXED UP WITH UR MUM THERE!
IF UR A PAKI THEN U GOT THE WORST RELIGION U GUYS R THE SMELLY FUKERS WHO R ALWAYS WEARING THOSE CLOTHS, I DONT BLAME U I WUD WEAR IT IF I WAS AS UGLY AS U GUYS.
ALLAH WAS A PAEDOPHILE HE MARRIED A 6 YEAR OLD GIRL NOW THATS SICK!
ABOUT THE QURAN THATS FULL OF SHIT NE WAY SO LETS NOT GO THERE.
BACKFLIPS??? WOT U ON ABOUT??YEH WE GOT THE SWORDS 2 KILL ALL U PAKIS.
YEH SIKHS AINT THE ONLY ONE WITH THE BEARDS THE PAKIS HAV THEM 2 SO FUK U!
UR THE RELIGION IS THE JOKE! WOMEN AINT ALLOWED 2 GO SWIMMING COZ IT SHOWS 2 MUCH SKIN??YEH COZ THEY 2 FAT.
I DUNNO Y U PAKIS TRY 2 CONVERT OTHER PEOPLE 2 UR RELIGION COZ U GUYS HAV 15 KIDS U GOT ENUFF PAKIS. U TRAVEL ALL THE WAY 2 MECCA JUS 2 C A BLACK BOX FULL OF ALLAHS SHIT!! MAD PEOPLE.
U TALKIN ABOUT FLYIN MONKEYS WOT ABOUT THE TOWER IN MECCA THAT U THROW STONES AT TRYIN 2 KILL THE DEVIL??? THATS ALL BULL.
NOW ABOUT MARRYIN UR CUZINS U GUYS CANT FIND ANY NICE PAKI GALS 2 MARRY COZ THEY ALL UGLY SO I GUESS UR COUSINS WILL DO.
U THINK THAT A BLACK BOX IS GODS HOUSE ?? THATS DISRESPECTFUL I DONT THINK GOD WANNA LIVE IN A BLACK BOX OF SHIT.
AIGHT I CAN GO ON 4 AGES BUT U PAKIS WONT BE ABLE 2 HANDLE IT!!
SO LONG FUKERS

GURU NANAK TAXED LIKE 80% OF MUSLIM AND 15% FROM HINDUS AND THE 5% HE MADE UP WAS JUST MAKING SIKH GRANDADS DO BAKFLIPZ (TRUE STORY) EVEN SEZ IT IN UR BOOK WITH CHAAR STAINS ON IT.

UR RELIGIONS A JOKE U GOT A PICTURE OF UR GURU PUTTING HIS HANDS UP...WHICH HE WASHED HIS ASS WITH

NOW DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE HINDUS...FLYING MONKEYS ? THAS THE TENTH ISSUE OF SUPERMAN !!!!
I COULD GO ON BUT I CANT BE ASSED N E WAYZ ALL I GOT TO SAY IS UR RELIGIONS HANDICAP JUST SHOWS HOW STUPID U R FOLLOWING IT

I DONT MIND THE IDEA OF UR RELIGION I LIKE IT U KNOW THE SWORDS AND 80 YEAR OLD MEN DOING BAKFLIPZ BUT U SIKH R SERIOUS ABOUT THIS SHIT...U KNOW ITS DISGUSTING UR HAIRS UPTO UR ASS U PROBABLY WASH UR ASS WITH UR HAIR COZ I SEEN SIKH WIT BROWN STREAKS ITS DISGUSTING U DISGUST ME UR SIKH

LATERZ

ALL I CAN SAY IS ............DIE IN HELL PAKIS THATS WHERE U BELONG !!!!

You people in india and pakistan need to think logically.Reason and rationality will tell the honest seeking human being that there can not be a god.The quran is so vaque as a book it is fabricated from basic bibical stories.It does not have anything scientific in it.People who believes these lies are foolish.All religions are manmade.People are controlled in the islamic countries and kept down especially women.Chopping off someones hand for robbing is so sick and the idea that the koran says all other people go to hell is pathetic.God did not create man - but man created god.All the wars are over religion.The west atleast is starting to change.

Sikh- at - heart and other extremists: Your ignorance of Islam is really all that's apparent from your posts. It's convenient that you constantly refer to Hizb-ut-Tahrir (HUT) as somehow representative of Islam and Muslims as a whole. Most Muslims do not belong to HUT so your arguments hold no water. Nowhere in the Qur'an does it say violence is encouraged againt kafirs. Islam is not a missionary religion. Forcible conversions take place in all religions and are the acts of a desperate, ill-informed minority, who are ignorant of the Islamic mandate of da'wah (=davat; invitation) and have no basis in Islam itself. We Muslims, too, have suffered enourmously at the hands of Sikh militants, especially around Partition time, but you don't see us parading around this forum denigrating Sikhism. My parents grew up hearing these hatemongers yelling "saaley massleian nu maar deo..." but we're not going to let the acts of a few taint our regard for an entire religion.

And to the rest of you all preaching hate, saying Muslims are "sick" etc...hate has a way of coming around and biting you in the ass. Jitthe di khoti, utthe hi aa khiloti.

Hey anonymous, are you married to your sister, like all other muslims?

PS. Why u anonymous.

I WAS DISGUSTED BY WHAT I READ!!!! IM A KUTCHI-SPEAKING MUSLIM GIRL, IVE ALWAYS BEEN FASCINATED BY PUNJABI AND SIKH CULTURE. AFTER READING THOSE MESSAGE BOARDS, I DONT KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE, BUT I THINK THE WORLD SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO RESPECT OTHER RELIGIONS AND IM NOT PREJUDICED TOWARDS THOSE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT FAITH AS ME.

BY THE WAY, I DONT BELIEVE IT SAYS ANYWHERE IN THE QUR'AN THAT VIOLENCE AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT MUSLIM IS ENCOURAGED, I BELIEVE THAT ITS THE WAY SOME PEOPLE HAVE INTERPRETED THE QUR'AN TO THEIR CONVENIENCE. I CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE AN ATTITUDE WHICH MAKES ME HATE EVERYONE WHO ISNT OF THE SAME RELIGION AS ME!!!!

well all the siks in this world need to get a life and not to mention a haircut god knows what they have under that filthy turban, must be health hazard.

HAHAHAHAHA

Some of the comments that you get on these page's are funny. But I thought this was supposed to be a serious page.

I think every muslim on this earth should die. they are disgusting people with disgusting thoughts and beliefs.

Thank you very much

I think that sikhs and hindu's alike are loosing touch with their faith. we r more worried about going out and getting drunk than we are about uniting with each other. Look at the muslims, all of the different types of muslims are united they stick together. Our type of people like to watch on and just view wat is happening and not get involved. let us not 4get thet we are the sons and daughters of lions! We would also not have been proud Sikhs if it wasnt for our Guru Ji's to stand up and die for our faith. Back then alot was done by the minority sikhs.
It is a duty 4 every parent to inspire their children by teaching them a little bit of sikhi and of the sikhs hardship through our religions 500 year existence. lets not have pety arguments amongst ourselves over topics such as cast, this is holding us back. SO COME ON LETS UNITE UNDER THE FOLD OF SAT GURU. AND LET PEOPLE IN THE WORLD KNOW WHY THE SIKHS ARE LABELLED AS A "WARRIOR RACE"!

Amardeep.

WHAT CAN I SAY THESE MUSLIMS ARE SICK PEOPLE

I HAVE LIVED IN BRADFORD (mini Pakistan) and know of many instances where Sikh youths were voiciously attacked by Muslims. I also know of 2 Sikh girls who were coerced to marry Muslims and after marriage converted to Islam and transported back to Pakistan. One of them escaped and came back.

Sat Sri Akal
JAS

PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ THE FOLLOWING AND FORWARD IT ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE IT IS ABOUT THE TOPICAL DISCUSSION OF CONVERSIONS


Do not let the FIRE in your belly consume you, read this with an OPEN mind and make your own valued judgement. All of this can be verified by reading transcripts of the koran or visiting the Hizb-ut-tahrir and Khalifa websites (can be found using search) engines.Furthermore remember that we as Sikh people have been under attack from the Muslims since the Arabs rose to power in 713AD (source Punjab.com)Constant attack to assimilate us has been carried out since.The mogul emperors the shahs the british and the hindus have all seen us as an underclass, and they have treated us accordinly.However, we have not secombe and do not intend to, knowledge is your wealth and power my friends and i'm giving you a 24 carat insight.


THE TRUTH ABOUT CONVERSIONS 10 SECRETS THE MUSLIMS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW


1. Islam is a totally MISSIONARY religion committed to making EVERYONE Muslim, according to the Koran the world is divided up into 2 parts, Dar-as-Islam (House of Faith) a title which applies to all Islamic countries and Dar-al-Harb (Household of War), land not yet surrendered to Allah, which is the rest of the world. It is the duty of every Muslim to wage Jihad (Holy War) against Kafirs, infidels and unbelievers what the Koran calls non-Muslims and make them submit to Islam. Violence against Kafirs is encouraged in the Koran, if gentle persuasion doesn?t work.


2. Conversions of Sikh and Hindu men and women is becoming an increasing problem, hundreds of reported and verified conversions in the last few years. Dozens of cases were reported in October 1995 alone, when the new academic year started also converted. Universities in London, Bradford and Luton are particular problem areas.


3. At the Hizb-ut-Tahrir ( HUT ) conference at the Wembley arena in August 1994, a Sikh was converted on stage in front of 8000 cheering and clapping Muslims. The Sikh girl then proceeded to attack Sikhism making particularly offensive statements against the Sikh Gurus. The audience laughed and continued to cheer. Some of this speech was televised on satellite T.V and on the HUTs pirate radio station. Muslim leaders at the conference called for an intensification of the campaign to bring Sikh and Hindu women to Islam. The same thing happened at HUTs Rally for Islam conference in Trafalgar Square, August 1995. This time 2 Hindu women were converted on stage in front of 2000 cheering Muslims. Again Muslim leaders demanded that Muslims boys try harder to convert Sikh and Hindu girls.


4. The self appointed Muslim parliament of Britain passed a resolution demanding that the British government make it illegal for Muslim women to marry non-Muslim. It also called for the banning of conversions of Muslims to other faiths. Any Muslim who did convert was to be stoned to death according Islamic tradition. Thankfully, the British government did not take their demand seriously, but the event showed the Muslims double standards and hypocrisy.


5. HUT leaders issued a directive in January 1995 to specially selected male members telling them to place Ads in personal columns of national newspapers inviting relationships from Asian women, they were told to write the religion and nationality of the girl were unimportant and be ambiguous about their own backgrounds by for example only describing themselves as Asian. They were further told to form intimate relationships with only Sikh and Hindu girls who replied with the aim of conversion. The expense of the Ads and any dates were to be paid by the HUT.


6. Certain Muslims have taken to wearing Karas (Sikh steel bracelet) at Bhangra gigs with the aim of specifically seeking to meet Hindu and Sikh girls. When meeting the Girls, these people identify themselves in such a way that the girl does not realise that they are Muslim, for example by shortening the name Mohammed to Mohan. They form relationships with the girl and begin the slow path to conversion.

7. A Muslim converting somebody, will never tell the person the whole story. For example when converting men they always leave out the part about having to be circumcised to become Muslim. After all what man would want half of his genitals cut off. Likewise girl converts are tricked into believing that men and women are equal to Islam. They are not told that rape victims according to the Koran have produce 4 Male witnesses of good character to say that they were raped or they will be charged with adultery and stoned according to Islamic tradition ( hundreds of cases where this has occurred are on file with Amnesty International, contact them for further information). Also according to the Koran, all man has to do to divorce his wife is say Talaq 3 times. For women of course getting a divorce is much harder. Besides which what woman wants to share her husband with three other women.


The new method that they are employing is to change their names by deed poll to Mohan singh and Balraj singh , they add surnames on to Gill and Hayer are two of there favorites. Please check the person you are going to marry and there credentials through your parents or close relatives NAMES MEAN NOTHING THERE ARE BEING CHANGED BY DEED POLL IT ONLY COSTS THEM A COUPLE OF HUNDRED POUNDS , SUPPLIED BY THEY'RE FANATICAL ELDERS!!!!


8. HUT leadership has instructed its members to specifically target problem groups of conversion. These include young teenage girls, people with social problems, the recently bereaved and victims of abuse as children. These people are considered to be weak willed and easily manipulated once identified the Muslim will try to convince their target that Islam will magically solve all their problems. Incidentally in 1992 the hut produced an article telling Muslim men to particularly target non-Muslim girls with plain or unattractive physical, facial or body features. These girls the article said would not be accustomed to this attention and would do anything to maintain a relationship. It went on to say that the discomfort you may feel in such relationships, especially if intimate is only temporary however the rewards you will receive in Heaven will last for eternity.


9. The HUT has instructed Muslims to work in groups when converting, with one person forming a very close friendship with their target. The group then works to find out the strengths and weaknesses of the person involved and then will work accordingly. If for example, the person loves sport and is very athletic, they go on about how Islam actively encourages sport and how all the world's best sportsmen such as Muhammad Ali, Tyson and Imran Khan are Muslims. If the person has a strongly anti-white attitude, then they will stir up racial hatred against whites even more by talking about past white injustices against them. This policy has been used effectively with Afro-Caribbean's, with whom they talk about the slave trade and give Malcolm X as role model (Muslim groups leafleted black cinema audiences watching Malcolm X when it was released ). Similarly, the hard up have been offered well-paid jobs with Muslim businesses providing they convert.


10. Forced conversions do occur. There have been many documented cases ( at least one in Southall ) when Sikh and Hindu girls have been taken to Pakistan by their Muslim boyfriends and forcibly converted. Those resisting are passed on to other Muslim men who keep the girl under lock and key, in some remote village without telephones. All the girls money and her passport are taken away. Other cases have occurred when Sikh and Hindu girls are photographed naked by their Muslim boyfriends, and are told to convert or else the photos will be published in magazines and sent to the girls family and friends. These are not tragically scare stories but facts.


CONVERSIONS INTO ISLAM almost always occur out of a persons IGNORANCE or MISUNDERSTANDING of their own religion. Take time to understand your religion and educate others. The process of conversion is usually very SUBTLE and GRADUAL. It always occurs progressively UNDERMINING YOUR CULTURE and RELIGION through misquoting religious texts and falsifying historical events. Be on guard and stop them from speaking lies about your religion be you Sikh or Hindu. The HUT and other Muslim groups have said that they aim to make FRANCE, an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC by the year 2015 and Britain by 2025 through CONVERSIONS, IMMIGRATION and high MUSLIM BIRTH RATES.

THE DIFFERENT WAYS THE HUT ARE ATTACKING US

Fanatics are now vandalising books on Sikhism and religious texts such as the Guru Granth Sahib in Council, School, and college libraries. About 30% of the time this vandalism involves the writing of false propaganda and messages to the readers of the book. These messages usually attempts to UNDERMINE your faith by MISQUOTING religious texts and distorting reality. Check your local library especially if you live in an area with a history of trouble.


Recent events have shown that groups have become increasingly envious of our prosperity in this country. They are now systematically trying their best to damage us financially. In some Mosques speakers have told worshippers to boycott Sikh and Hindu shops. However, the most obvious example of this economic sabotage would be that of the Bradford riots. These were not as the media have us believe merely a case of Asian youths uprising and fighting white fascist police brutality, but more a situation where gangs went on rampage, burning and looting non-Muslim property. The Economist Magazine ( June 17th 1995 edition ) reported that No Hindu nor Sikh youths took part, only Muslim males. Indian owned business were attacked. In fact other reports state that older, masked Muslims ( thought to be HUT ) went down the streets ahead of everyone else, and specifically marked out Sikh and Hindu shops with spray paint, for destruction by rioters following them. Don't be fooled by the Muslim media, Sikhs and Hindus were the victims of the Muslim riots in Bradford.


The HUT produced and circulated articles in universities, stating that Jewish, Sikh and Hindu students were dogs and must be removed from higher education. (As reported in the Guardian, 31st October 1995 edition). The Muslims have realised that the power, respect, money and knowledge and influence brings makes us more powerful enemies. The exact strategy for preventing us from obtaining higher education has not yet been leaked, but the harassment and bullying Hindu and Sikh students at schools and colleges ( by such acts as the storming of West Thames college in Jan 1995 ) is bound to be a part of it. After all how can anyone work in places of such stress. Our youths must strive to get highly educated as they possibly can. University students should act as role models and encourage younger members of the community to get an education. This will greatly benefit not only you and your family, but help your community.


Youths have been instructed to infiltrate any and every organisation and position of authority they can. They have also been told to keep their Islamic fundamentalist secret and subtly remove our community from a position within these organisations. For example, they have been directed to join Student Union bodies, the Media, anti-racist groups community groups, councils and political parties.


Muslims even use black magic to try and convert people. So don?t take anything object, food, gift from a muslim !


PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS , AND DISTRIBUTE IT TO AS MANY FELLOW INDIANS AS YOU CAN. THIS IS NOT A HATE LITERATURE BUT ONE OF AWARENESS MOST IMPORTANTLY: YOUR RELIGION HAS A LOT MORE TO OFFER, IF FOLLOWED PROPERLY IGNORANCE IS THE WORST EXCUSE.


Do not dismiss your dreams. To be without dreams is to be without hope. To be without hope is to be without purpose. Do not run through life so fast that you forget not only where you have been, but also where you are going. Life is not a race, but a journey to be savored each step of the way......(author: Waheguru Pramatma)

Hey guys calm down yo usound like ten year old disfunctional little kids. Whats this about killing all arabs and muslims. 1.2 billion, how you going to manage that. Also islam is the fastest growing religion in the west, just check out the stats. Black, white, yellow, brown, male, female, young, old are all reverting to the one true religion. I am just loving it. Even though Osama did not do 9/11 and it was actually an inside job by the zionists and the cia to have an excuse to go into afghanistan and irag it has doen wonders for islam. Every where i go people want to become muslims and obey the commands of Allah. To my muslim brothers please don't get upset when u read hate like this, these people are actually promoting islam for u and encouraging people to read the koran. Even their own brothers and sisters are converting. Just look at the accounts of x KKK members who have become muslims. God bless islam and the islamic republic of America..it's so beautiful.20yrs ago one million muslims in america now 10 million and by 2050 there will be 30 million. Trust allah the plan is working. let them carry on its just great.