Bluntjatt,

Sorry Darling, you may have been brought up with women being treated like that in your family, but thats not how it is in the big wide world, its about time you learn to adapt living in a multi-sexual world, in which both men and women are treated equally. If your unable to get that all in your teeny weeny brain, I hope you get done over by some gyal all takes all your money (if that) and makes a run for it.

May God Keep All of his Children, especially women! You are all strong and I pray you all can stand your ground until a true man can treat you all the way you should. -Christina USA

yuck! i never realised it said Pakistan.

saab nu SSA

My mum says that girls should never even touch more than one man in their lives. But even if the guys been messing around he expects to marry a virgin or he divorces her. I just want to know whether that is true for young guys in England.

Bluntjatt
u are what every woman does not want in life

to someone! wether ur a man or a woman, thanks alot, what u said is right, at least there is someone backing me up, cheers

In the future women will be equal to men all over the world and in all classes, if not above men. Men who try to control their women will be banished into the depths of depravity and made to pay for the actions.


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dear friends,

hello,

how are you,my need sencairly friend ,are you my best frined,

tariq

To Bluntjatt
how could you ever have respect for women when you have no respect for yourself, the gurus or the sikh religion. Perhaps you should look up equality in a dictionary. Isn't equality what the gurus taught. How convenient that men in the sikh religion should then determine to define equality to suit themselves. typical of a lot of men in the world regardless of their religion. Just look at the distortions that occur in all religions because of unthinking male minds. It is waste of time to look for love from a heart and mind full of fear and hatred. Time for women to assert their power (which is what men like bluntjatt really fear most) and leave these low lifes where they belong. On their own. You know what they say when you sleep with dogs you wake up with fleas. So leave the dogs and the fleas to themselves. They do not deserve your attention.Their mothers no doubt are ashamed of them as well they should be. However one does wonder how men like bluntjatt became so bitter and twisted. Perhaps your time would be better spent bluntjatt pondering the source of your bitterness. What lurks beneath the tough exterior but a seething mass of negative self talk. Time to look within to resolve your problems not to look without and blame women.

I do not understand why women are not respected more than they are. Behind every great man is a woman giving ideas and encouragement to him whether it be his mother or his wife. If you respect your mother then why not respect the mother of your children. Through out the centuries there has been many great women in different roles. And if you think the only place for a woman is the kitchen to cook your meals then go to a restaurant. And if you think a woman is to keep your bed warm and be for your desire, buy an electric blanket and a jar of vaseline. Then maybe you would come to understand the true meaning of a woman. A partner,a companion, a soulmate, your lover,and friend and the mother of your children. THINK ABOUT IT THAT'S NOT BAD AT ALL!!!!!

Hi all punjabies

aurat dharti hai, aadmi hai aasmaan dono ke milan se kayaam hai ye sansar.

dilip

to all you dominating men,if you repress somthing or some woman ,you only make them stronger in the end.so unlucky guys the women are back and strong and kicking your butts.

I'm sorry Blunt git, but I'm already busy tonight...I plan on going out and beat up idiots like you! OOOOooo...I'll tell you something, I will not be stepped on like my ancestors. They fully deserved all honor and worship, for they birthed me. And without me bud, your childrens childrens childrens wives woudn't be. We can refuse you know! Then who will bring forth the next generation? huh?
We are just as important as you, and we deserve our rights!

x singh, instead of roti, can i get you a joti(shoe)
go punjaban!

Liberated Punjaban.......You Go Girl!!!


And while your theer go and Get my Roti

If women are only good for the kitchen and the bedroom then try making the mortgage payment by yourself and you'll wake up. Maybe men should then find an alternate for the kitchen and the bedroom too.

dard kafi hai bekudi ke leye.maut lajam jindge ke leye

U know u love me,

Well said this Blunt Jatt is giving a large on for nothing, hes simply one sad git, so lets all ignore the pratt.

yo blunt jatt u belong in a cage and what women would want to keep ur bed warm!!!!!!

navymedic97,

RAJKUMARI

can anyone tell me another name for hindu Princesses?

sat ari akaal?

I may not understand all that has happened but i do pray that she is safe in God' hands never to fear for her life ever again It breaks my heart to read the comments of so many men who feel it is right to hurt a woman why does it make you feel strong are you then more of a man what a shame and you say your women are consider to be princesses and they are treated like dirt i would rather live alone then to suffer from a man who would rather hurt me than love me if your women are princeses they deserve to be cherished and love not beaten and killed

to someone! wether ur a man or a woman, thanks alot, what u said is right, at least there is someone backing me up, cheers! xx

Learn to respect women, otherwise there is no hope for us.

I think whoever you are saying that about women, need to f***** take a reality check, im a woman and men that think women only belong in the kitchen and that they are only good for one night, and to have children,dont forget ur mums gave birth to you and they are women, so 2 u all u f***** narrow minded b******** i hope ur future wife is an independant woman and dont take no •••• off you, ur so full of s***

BLUNTJATTI,

YOU ARE A BULLSHITTER.

TO BLUNTJATT,
YOU ••••••••..

YO...ALL U B***ITCHES BELONG IN:

1. THE KITCHEN
2. MY BED KEEPING IT WARM

REALLY WANT ME TO GO ON???

I have to say F**k Jatt4life....saalaya jada daroo peelee??!!! p3hnchod...F(_)ker lives in the west and disses it...go and live in Saudi if you want to be a taliban fool.

woman is the greatest creation of God. i just dunt understand why men still have to argue further.

I totally agree with the Taliban of afghanistan. Not to say i abuse women that is the taliban u see only on western telivison. Why is it to grow and prosper we must be just like the usa or live like the Goda pepll when we have survived much longer in traditionall society and it has worked fine. I think this modern democracy stuff and western thinking is just a bunch of Bullshit all's it is a conquest of traditional countrys and way of life by the Godas so we become just like them, disguised as "helpful organizations" like the UN who claim there helping us lead "better lives" who r they to decide wut life better. The west is a bumch of athiests who have to get there acts str8 and stay out of our sacred lives there entire economy is built on the backs of "3rd world lauborors" (ie ethnic peplls!!!!). f... the US f... the UN, f... the Godas, and f... the west!!!!

women are only good for one thing,
that is having a good one at night.

THE MISSIONARY POSITION IS THE BEST.

we all know that women are better than men in more ways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so admit it!

u know ------------ u trippin lady, o cook some food for the jatt

A womens position is in the kitchen, making food and having children. Nowadays women are having their own rights but I disagree. It should be like old days.

Pakistan is going the way of Afghanistan...back in time....this has to be stopped with a nuclear war to thin the herd....

i am looking for the web site for Human Rights Commission Pakistan, and have been unable to find it. I am researching how Bonded Labour affects men and women in Sindh and Punjab--does anyone have any suggestions for me? I've gotten several lists of NGO's active in the area, but have had trouble getting to their sites. Any help would be appreciated.

thanks.

After reading Anarkali's and Asma Jahangir's statements and stories I am appalled with the situation in West Panjab. There is a lobby organisation in the UK who can help called the Panjabis in Britain group which is an all party parliamentary group in the House of Commons, London SW1A 0AA. The researcher for this group in Mr Iqbal Singh.

Our women are Panjabi princesses and that's how they should be treated, not like cattle!!

you all, read the story below..
is this the kind of culture we want?!
Please see this story as a lesson of where
hatred and "culture" can lead to and please
try and promote peace and love not violence
in you own families. thanks.

Anarkali,

It is so sad that women have to suffer so much. It is even more disturbing that a mother can take such steps against her own daughter for the sake of tribal laws which only seem to apply to women.

A concerned Punjabi Mard

Background:
29 year old Samia Sarwar, a resident of Peshwar (NWFP
province, Pakistan) arrived at the office of AGHS on March
26th asking for assistance in divorcing her husband. Her
father is the current President of the Peshawar Chamber of
Commerce, her mother a gynaecologist.

Married some ten years ago to her first cousin (son of her
maternal aunt), Samia had been physically abused and
tortured for many years by her addict husband. She moved
into her parents' home in April 1995 after her husband had
thrown her down the stairs when she was pregnant with her
second child. She asked her parents help in getting
divorced, but her parents refused.

The Incident:
Using the opportunity of her parents being away on
pilgrimage, she arrived in Lahore alone (26th March 1999)
and approached AGHS for assistance. She was given shelter at
DASTAK (a women's shelter started by Hina Jilani and run
with AGHS) with the reference of the Principal of
Quaid-e-Azam Law College.

Samia's paternal uncle, Yunus Sarwar, followed her to Lahore
and asked to see her. She refused saying she feared she
would be killed. He then told her counsel that the family
wanted to avoid a court case. It was therefore agreed not to
register a divorce case on her behalf for the time being.
When her parents returned from haj, they requested a meeting
with Samia who refused to meet the father but agreed to meet
her mother provided she was alone.

The mother arrived at AGHS accompanied by the uncle and
another man, later identified as Habibur Rehman, a driver
apparently employed in the Directorate of Education,
Peshawar. The mother entered the counsel's room where the
meeting was to be held accompanied by Habib. When the
counsel immediately told the man to leave, the mother said
(in English): "he's my helper. I need assistance since I
can't walk."

Habib pulled out a gun and shot Samia through the temple.
Hina Jilani narrowly escaped one of the bullets fired by
him. In the ensuing confusion, the mother and Habib left the
room, rejoined the uncle Yunus in the office waiting area
and ran down the stairs.

Yunus took hostage Shahtaj Qizalbash, AGHS's paralegal
coordinator and the only office person who had not been able
to take cover. Holding Shahtaj at gunpoint, Yunus and
Samia's mother then escaped the building in a rickshaw
commandeered from in front of the AGHS office. Although the
rickshaw licence number was supplied by a private security
firm (that gave chase) to the Police, the vehicle reached
Falettis Hotel, where Samia's father was waiting. In
Shahtaj's presence he asked Yunus "Have you done the job?"

On April 7 a delegation of human rights activists met the
Home Secretary and DIG Lahore. In this meeting, the
delegation expressed their concerns that: although a case
was registered on the evening of 6th April (nominating
Samia's father, mother and uncle), no arrest had been made;
the investigation must include all abettors to the crime;
police must keep human rights activists abreast of all
developments in the case; the nominated accused must be
placed on the Exit Control List, ensuring that they are not
able to evade justice by fleeing the country; the state must
provide adequate protection to all shelters, whether run by
the government or independently, to ensure the safety of all
women in shelters and all those providing them support.

The administration and police gave the delegation assurances
that the case would be fully and impartially investigated by
a senior police officer, capable of resisting any pressure
brought to bear on him to subvert the investigation.

Threats to Human Rights Activists & a Campaign of
Misinformation:

Meanwhile, Samia's family has launched an attack on human
rights activists, focusing by name on Samia's counsel, Hina
Jilani and her sister Asma Jahangir (Chairperson of the
Human Rights Commission of Pakistan).

Their attack has included:

Organising a meeting of members of the Peshawar Chamber of
Commerce and ulema on April 8 which supported Samia's murder
as being in keeping with tribal laws. This meeting also
issued fatwas denouncing Asma Jahangir as a kafir, and
asking that she be punished according to tribal and Islamic
law;

Attempting to register a counter-case, accusing AGHS of
being responsible for Samia's death; planting misinformation
in the press regarding both the circumstances in which Samia
came to AGHS and the actual murder;

Organising a public demonstration on April 9 of businessmen
and religious fanatics in Peshawar where statements were
issued that they will take the law into their own hands and
kill Asma.

This is entire campaign is clearly designed to terrorise all
those who support women in distress and to subvert justice
in this particular case.

The Samia Sarwar murder

Women's Action Forum statement
Shirkat Gah Women's Resource Center's statement
Press Statement from Asma Jahangir (Chairperson of the Human
Rights Commission, Pakistan) > Press Statement from Hina
Jilani (Samia Sarwar's attorney)

WAF Statement:
The Murder at AGHS

The gruesome murder at the office of AGHS Legal Aid Centre
illustrates the degree of brutalisation in society where
parents can plan and execute the murder of their daughter
for daring to exercise her rights as sanctioned by both law
and religion.

What is most shocking is the way in which'honour' is used as
a justification for crimes of extreme violence against
women. Unfortunately, the judiciary by accepting the plea of
'grave and sudden provocation', or by simply accepting
anachronistic and barbaric codes of conduct, legitimises
brutal customs and crimes in the name of 'honour' and
cultural practice.

What needs to be questioned are the oppressive and inhumane
social norms that transform homes into places of violence
and danger, and thereby compel women to leave them to seek
shelter and secure their rights elsewhere. Sanctuaries like
Dastak and the Dar-ul-Amans need to be lauded, not
condemned, for the role they play in protecting women from
the violence within the home as well as exploitation by
unscrupulous elements outside.

Saima's murder at the hands of her own family should compel
us to question the values we uphold in the name of
tradition. It is time that as a society, we raised our
voices against bloodthirsty customs and practices in which
people take the law into their own hands. It is important
that in this matter the media play a responsible role
instead of vilifying either the victim or those who are
courageous enough to speak out against these crimes at the
cost of personal safety.

The administration must show their good faith by taking
serious steps to apprehend the killers regardless of their
position in society and connections in high places.
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Neelam Hussain
For The Working Committee
Women's Action Forum, Lahore
Shirkat Gah - Women's Resource Centre

PRESS RELEASE
4-9-99

Shirkat Gah - Women's Resource Centre condemns the
statements and fatwas issued by the ulema in the meeting of
the Peshawar Chamber of Commerce on 4-8-99 in relation to
the brutal murder of Samia Imran at the office of her
counsel in Lahore.

By condoning the murder of Samia in the name of tribal
traditions the ulema have clearly committed an act of
sedition against the law of the land. Furthermore they are
inciting people to acts of violence and the murder of all
those who would and do act within the parametres of
Pakistan's laws.

It is bad enough that such statements were made by religious
fanatics. It is abominable that the Peshawar Chamber of
Commerce (supposedly a respectable institution), instead of
condemning the criminal action of its president, Ghulam
Sarwar Mohmind who is the nominated accused along with his
wife and brother, organised such a meeting.

The statements of the ulema are open acts of war against the
laws of the state of Pakistan. It is disgraceful that at the
end of 20ieth century the writ of the Pakistan state is
being eroded in such a cavalier fashion with little
resistance from the state, and that the citizens of this
country are being held hostage through violent means to the
will of criminal-minded elements. It is regretable that
despite assurances given to human rights activists by the
Home Secretary, Punjab and DIG Lahore, none of the nominated
accused has so far been arrested.

Shirkat Gah calls upon the government of the NWFP and the
Federal Government to take immediate note of this and to
take punitive action against such public declarations. We
call upon all the other Chambers of Commerce to condemn this
act and to ensure that an apology is forthcoming from the
Peshawar Chamber.

We call upon the administration to ensure that a high-level
and impartial investigation is carried out and that the
culprits are caught and brought to justice. We call upon
all right-minded citizens and public representatives to
support the efforts to bring all those involved in the
cold-blooded murder against Samia to book.

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PRESS STATEMENT FROM ASMA JAHANGIR
(Chairperson of the Human Rights Commission, Pakistan)

After the brutal murder of Samia Imran there is an attempt
by certain elements to save the murderers from the law and
to pressurize the government, the administration and the
police. To further their designs they have initiated a
campaign of vilification, misinformation and incitement
against me. Threats to kill me are being made publicly and
people are being exhorted to commit violence against me.

Are we living in a lawless society, where there is no
respect for human life or dignity of the person? An incident
in which a client is killed in the office of her lawyer,
shows that sanctity of law and constitution have been
completely eroded. We have a right not only to protest
against such barbaric acts, but also to point towards the
social attitudes that become the cause of the commission of
such crimes.

The government has shown complete insensitivity towards this
naked violation of the rule of law. Why has the government
failed to take action against persons publicly announcing
their intent to kill me and are blatantly publicizing this
threat with their names through the press. I want to warn
the government that they will be fully responsible for any
harm that comes to me because of their failure to perform
their legal and constitutional duty.

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PRESS STATEMENT FROM HINA JILANI
(Samia Imaran's lawyer)

Barrister's bacha's press conference on behalf of Saima
Imran's family is a ham-handed attempt at concoting a false
version of the incident that happened in my office on
4.6.99. This has been done deliberately to save the real
culprits from the consequences of their criminal act.

Saima Imran was a client who had been referred to me by the
Principal of the Quaid-e-Azam Law College, Lahore. She had
sought refuge at "Dastak" on the ground that she feared for
her life at the hands of her parental family, as they were
opposed to her seeking a divorce.

Members of her family including the accused persons namely
her mother, father and uncle had earlier approached my
office to meet Saima. My office had, as per our policy, not
only conveyed their message to Saima, but had dealt with
them with courtesy and grace every time they had come to our
office. Saima had refused to meet anyone but her mother,
whom she did meet in the office of AGHS prior to the day of
occurrence. She had repeatedly expressed fear of being
killed at the hands of her family. She was in the process of
filing a suit for dissolution of marriage, for which site
was receiving legal aid in my office.

On the day of occurrence at about 6 p.m. Saima Imran and I
were in my office discussing her case, when four persons
entered my office, one of whom was her mother, who is the
only one that I recognize. The killer who was with the
mother opened fire on Saima as soon as he entered the
office. No words were exchanged either between the mother
and daughter or with me. This was a pre-planned occurrence.
The man had entered my office armed with a weapon. Saima's
uncle Younas accused was also on the premises and was also
armed with a weapon. My colleague, Shahtaj Qizilbash, was
taken hostage by him, and he escaped by holding her as
cover. The killer was shot by a police guard after he was
fired upon by the killer in his attempt to run away after
murdering Saima. Saima's mother and uncle took Shahtaj away
with them as hostage.

The real facts of this incident are recorded in a timely
registered FIR. There are many witnesses to this
occurrence. The attempt of Barrister Baccha or the family of
the murdered girl to fabricate malicious stories against me
will not succeed.